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Old 07-09-2018, 02:39 PM   #1
JamesG94
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Should i be raising pre-flop or is calling okay?

Should i be raising preflop here?

PokerStars Hand #187196448316: Tournament #2322356713, $1.29+$0.21 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2018/06/03 20:59:20 WET [2018/06/03 15:59:20 ET]
Table '2322356713 1' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 2: SerGomel (1247 in chips)
Seat 3: MADGeek91 (1054 in chips)
Seat 4: allan_vedek (1652 in chips)
Seat 5: Jamesg94 (1912 in chips)
Seat 6: DRYOCOPUS (1171 in chips)
Seat 7: paletcc (1026 in chips)
Seat 8: sutty1980 (3272 in chips)
Seat 9: bambos12345 (2166 in chips)

Jamesg94: posts small blind 15
DRYOCOPUS: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Jamesg94 [Qh Ac]
paletcc: raises 38 to 68
sutty1980: folds
bambos12345: calls 68
SerGomel: calls 68
MADGeek91: folds
allan_vedek: folds
Jamesg94: calls 53
DRYOCOPUS: calls 38
*** FLOP *** [Jd 8s 5h]
Jamesg94: checks
DRYOCOPUS: checks
paletcc: checks
bambos12345: checks
SerGomel: checks
*** TURN *** [Jd 8s 5h] [5c]
Jamesg94: checks
DRYOCOPUS: checks
paletcc: checks
bambos12345: bets 180
SerGomel: folds
Jamesg94: folds
DRYOCOPUS: folds
paletcc: folds
Uncalled bet (180) returned to bambos12345
bambos12345 collected 372 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 372 | Rake 0
Board [Jd 8s 5h 5c]
Seat 2: SerGomel folded on the Turn
Seat 3: MADGeek91 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: allan_vedek (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Jamesg94 (small blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 6: DRYOCOPUS (big blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 7: paletcc folded on the Turn
Seat 8: sutty1980 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: bambos12345 collected (372)
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Old 07-10-2018, 02:56 AM   #2
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Re: Should i be raising pre-flop or is calling okay?

I think you have to 3b to thin field and iso original raiser. AQo is not fun to play in a family pot. And a 3b can extract more information about original raisers range. If he calls he probably doesnt have QQ+ for example.
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Old 07-10-2018, 10:34 AM   #3
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Re: Should i be raising pre-flop or is calling okay?

Thank you for you reply
Your example has really helped me out with what i should be thinking in other situations

thanks again
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Old 07-11-2018, 12:15 AM   #4
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Re: Should i be raising pre-flop or is calling okay?

this early, I don't mind the flat since you're oop and already have 4 in.

Yes, a good sized raise may thin the field, but I've also seen way too many times where you get 3 out of the 4 calls. Now you're oop in 4 way, overly bloated pot with A high. I prefer to save that kind of move until later when the pot/blinds are a bigger percentage of my stack.

Just out of curiosity, what would be your 3 bet size?
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Old 07-11-2018, 12:37 PM   #5
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Re: Should i be raising pre-flop or is calling okay?

Thanks for the reply i see what your saying about waiting for bigger blinds

If i was to 3 bet i think i would put in 320
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Old 07-12-2018, 12:09 AM   #6
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Re: Should i be raising pre-flop or is calling okay?

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Thanks for the reply i see what your saying about waiting for bigger blinds

If i was to 3 bet i think i would put in 320
now continue..say you get 3 callers and now are oop with AQo with that flop...what do you do?

IMO, if you're going to just play simple, straight foward poker, (which I think is the best way to play OOP and early in this game) then there really is no reason to 3 bet in this situation. Make sense?
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Old 07-12-2018, 12:23 PM   #7
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Re: Should i be raising pre-flop or is calling okay?

Yes that makes perfect sense

Thank you
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Old Yesterday, 01:08 AM   #8
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Re: Should i be raising pre-flop or is calling okay?

i would always 3bet in that spot, no one its repping a really strong range when they flat, except for the OR who can also have hands that u dominate, going multiway with AQo OOP its not a cool idea, and being early on the game stacks are pretty deep so there its no need to get stacks in, u can squezze and play post flop if u have to fold at some point so be it but IMO its higher EV to 3bet this spot.
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Old Yesterday, 06:29 AM   #9
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Re: Should i be raising pre-flop or is calling okay?

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i would always 3bet in that spot, no one its repping a really strong range when they flat, except for the OR who can also have hands that u dominate, going multiway with AQo OOP its not a cool idea, and being early on the game stacks are pretty deep so there its no need to get stacks in, u can squezze and play post flop if u have to fold at some point so be it but IMO its higher EV to 3bet this spot.
Okay let's just say as crow27 said i 3-bet and get 3 callers am i looking to continue betting or let it go?
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Old Today, 05:24 PM   #10
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Re: Should i be raising pre-flop or is calling okay?

This early in a micro SNG I'm not looking to play big pots unless I know I'm ahead. AQo is not a monster and with several callers there's a likely a pair, A-x suited or suited high connector that could all get you into trouble. Also you'll have to act first on every round so you'll struggle to know where you stand unless you hit a full house or 4 of a kind. You'd have to raise quite large to thin the field sufficiently and could then lose a big pot unnecessarily early in the tourney so I'm definitely not 3-betting here. Having said all that you are getting nearly 5-1 and the call represents a very small portion of your stack so I think I'd call and only continue if I hit, as you did.
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