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Old 01-14-2019, 05:54 AM   #1
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Should i jam?

Hi, i have a question that i canít solve.

This is a 3table-stng 27man and this is the FT, 5 player at a premium and currently we are 7.

Iím 1/7 in the count and have 13bb.

I have KTo and i donít see the possibility of opening this hand but only of openjam or fold.

For the calculations i used hrc but i had two different answer because i donít know if i have to use for my calculations chipsev in bb or icm.

This is what i have to shove to consider ICM.I have to consider ICM even if I am not yet a prize but I have the first stack at the table and we are 2 players left?
When is it necessary to start considering it?






Here instead if I calculate in chips eV




How is it possible that it should go allin more wider in ICM than in chipev?

Because i have more fold equity against small stack that want to get a premium?

I decide to fold and i won the tournament after.

The hand would end like this, compromising my chances of winning the tournament.



Is correct to use ICM only for the final table?

Sorry for my English and I hope you have understood
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Old 01-15-2019, 09:48 AM   #2
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Re: Should i jam?

Can someone help me?
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Old 01-15-2019, 05:50 PM   #3
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Re: Should i jam?

ICM is always there in tournament games where winner doesnt take it all. However this factor is rather small in the early game of bigger tournaments.

So, yes you can take Chip EV before the final table, but you might want a small edge. There is also an argument for building a stack, so you might not want an edge.

At the final table of a 27-man or similiar situation you deffinitely want to use ICM.

The reason you can shove wider with ICM here is that because of ICM calling ranges are way tighter, therefore widening you opening range.

Btw, HRC also has the capability to calculate just raising and then folding or calling. I would deffinitely check this spot for it.
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Old 01-16-2019, 09:45 AM   #4
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Re: Should i jam?

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ICM is always there in tournament games where winner doesnt take it all. However this factor is rather small in the early game of bigger tournaments.

So, yes you can take Chip EV before the final table, but you might want a small edge. There is also an argument for building a stack, so you might not want an edge.

At the final table of a 27-man or similiar situation you deffinitely want to use ICM.

The reason you can shove wider with ICM here is that because of ICM calling ranges are way tighter, therefore widening you opening range.

Btw, HRC also has the capability to calculate just raising and then folding or calling. I would deffinitely check this spot for it.

Ok to use ICM for te final table but we are not yet a prize is it still correct?
Do I have to take it into consideration to put pressure on my opponents as we are almost prizes and they will have a close range of calls?


So when I am a bubble zone that is a final table or even halfway through the tournament, can I start taking it into consideration to put pressure in the event of a short stack etc?


With 13bb or less I think only to make open jam or fold and not open/fold i'm wrong?

Thanks for the answer
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Old 01-16-2019, 05:22 PM   #5
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Re: Should i jam?

Yes. Basically the closer you get to the bubble the more you want to rely on ICM.
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