Opinions on recommended bankroll for any buyin of SNG?

It depends on your ROI mostly. If you have a low ROI you will need more BIs in comparison to someone with a higher ROI.

Take a look at this tournament variance calculator...

https://www.primedope.com/tournament...ce-calculator/

Play around with it depending on the format you play.

For example...Let´s say you play 6-Max tables where top 2 gets paid. And let´s say you play 2,000 games a month.

A player with a 10% ROI in those games will have a probability of loosing around 1% and the worst peak would be at -$84 (84 BIs). All this with a 99.7% confidence interval.

With a 95%, your worst peak would be at $23 so I'm guessing 50 BIs would be enough for that player.

But, on the contrary, a player with a 5% ROI under those same assumptions will have the worst peak at -$166 at 99.7% confidence interval and -$74 at 95% with a 12% probability of losing.

Playing those games with 50 BIs would be very risky to say the least.

Check out the following blog on Tumblr. It has bankroll requirements for both SNGs and cash games.


https://holdemmathology.tumblr.com/p...d-risk-of-ruin

However, for human beings who aren't putting in 2k SnGs per month, 50BI is just fine.

Your model also doesn't consider the concept of moving down after losing a particular amount of buyins. In this regard, risk of ruin with 50BI is negligible.

I would normally start playing a given level with 50BI exactly, and take a 20BI shot at that level - if I lose 20BI I move down. Rinse repeat.

This doesn't seem to be a very helpful post. The minimum assumption in its calculations is a ROI of 10%, which is unachievable at anything above the micros.

You're in another dimension, brother, even a ROI above 10% is definitely achievable. I have no problem making a ROI above 10%

Side Question:
How many hands would it take you to consider your stats somewhat honest?

Im trying to figure out a safe bankroll for taking a 6 month full time shot at online. Im working with only 6000hands in my database though.

I would say it's achievable up to and including $5 SnGs. $10 and above ($7 and above for Stars) are still very beatable but not at 10% ROI. At 9 man turbos, I've never seen a single high volume player beating those games at 10%.

For the record, the linked blog in Post #5 giving recommended bankroll requirements for 9 man SNGs now has ROI's of 2% and 5%

Something between more and unlimited

I'd say you're probably wrong about that.

Rehakzsolt started playing at my tables recently.

Now I need to change when I play :/

It's good to know that my assessment of him was on point at least.

IMO don't set a amount of buy-ins in fear of what the future may bring. Don't worry about if downswings may occur. Money you might make set some aside for downswings but don't worry about it. Don't play poker as a way to make money. play poker because of the game itself and put in the hard work. While playing your not focused on making $100 your focused on making correct decisions. Making those correct decisions will lead to making $100 or more/less.

Please keep in mind that ROIs depend on way too many factors (number of opponents, format, stack, average number of reg opponents...), so discussing it in abstract terms seems meaningless. Anyway 10% ROI seems a bit hard to achieve in most scenarios

By the way, if you play HU or spins, you can go up to 2k sits per month with ease!

Coming back to the question of bankroll, I'd say the more, the better. Unless I absolutely have to, I would avoid working below 100 buy-ins

Crazy that VSEPESS is getting 8% - in my experience he has a very substandard understanding of equity for somebody who plays at his volume.

Anyway, to address the pedantry... 10% ROI is all but unachieveable IMO. I see there are two players running above this on your little screenshot - both have a low sample size.

Lol so you think 10% is "all but unachievable", but the combined sample of like 35k games at like 9.5% doesn't count. If you think 9.5% over 35k game sample isn't basically equal to your statement, then you're just backpedaling. Not to mention, in most people's results, the 7 dollar turbos were actually holding their results back a little. If you filter for only 10 KOs and 15 9 mans, you get this:



This is also only the players that are opted in, there are a few top players who are not opted in. The fact is 10% is definitely achievable, not for everyone sure, but it's a far cry from "impossible".

thank you for your input guys, its been quite refreshing to still find good threads on 2+2. Could not recover my old account (piteiracorp) back from the good`ol days of 2010, times when this subforum would have top strategic content. thumbs up to those of you who still post here.

Sandmadness you are right in that they are achievable, however roi`s like this are limited to a few top regs, this from my experience of mediocre low stakes reg, when I was in a format there is always that reg everyone calls the beast/shark. The guy with the best roi etc.

I have been thinking of starting to grind again on the limited western Europe closed market (FR ES PT) and was looking for roi`s on the SS leaderboards, however the 6max hyper KO`s are hard to filter and find. Do you know what is achievable on those even if its info from .com field ?

this is going to depend on some specific info like the format of SNG, the buy in, how many tables you play at the same time and per day/month and very important you current roi at the format/stake or if you are new to it.

If you provide more specific info you will get a better answer than one from a random calculator.

I don't deny it's not easy but that's not what was said. Dwarf stated that he felt it wasn't possible and I just pointed out that is wrong. Doable is doable. Most regs will fall in the 4-7% range sure, but I'd say there's at least 3-4 regs playing now that can reasonably achieve that win rate, maybe more. The much more interesting thing is that winrates are equal to or higher to what they were 7-8 years ago, despite poker getting much harder as a whole.

As far as 6 max hyper KOs go I know some guys getting as high as 7% in the 10s and 25s, so do with that info what you will.