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10-21-2020 , 04:35 PM
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hello, in advance I'm sorry for my poor english

So I need help for chart in ICMIZER

More precisely the behaviour of my range for call

when I change the blind level my range for call is modified

my Bubble factor doesn't change neither the odd pot. So why ?

N.B. FGS= 0 --- 9max turbo 4 left

blinds 80/160-20


blinds 400/800-20


thank you for help
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10-24-2020 , 01:40 AM
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We call when ev call > ev fold. In the 2nd example fold is way worse than the 1st example. Therefore calling in ex2 is not worth much more than calling ex1, but folding ex2 is less ev when compared to folding in ex1. I know the explanation is simple but it's not more complicated than that without FGS.

With FGS is changes a lot because in ex 2 because btn is almost 100% to call his next big blind. Also both us and SB have position on the CO for shoving (and should shove any reasonable hand into BTNs next BB). So with FGS ex2 you have to be tighter than ICM.
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10-24-2020 , 05:49 AM
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thank for your explanation but do I have any calculation for my study or do I have to feel the spot?
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10-24-2020 , 02:05 PM
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Just use FGS it is better than nothing and icm is always still pretty close. If you really want to study it hard, take a spot where the FGS should accurately represent the most change you should take, like the following

CO 1bb fold
BTN 1bb fold
Villain 15 bb shove
Hero 5 bb ???

What ever the FGS is in this spot then you should never adjust anywhere close to as much in your original hand in the OP. FGS should be very accurate in this example hand and so you will never come into a spot with more FGS adjustment than this.
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10-25-2020 , 06:01 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by boubouf
[...]
my Bubble factor doesn't change neither the odd pot. So why ?

Your pot odds has changed significantly in second example. In first example you're pot odds are 46%, in second 35%.
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10-27-2020 , 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Regret$
Just use FGS it is better than nothing and icm is always still pretty close. If you really want to study it hard, take a spot where the FGS should accurately represent the most change you should take, like the following

CO 1bb fold
BTN 1bb fold
Villain 15 bb shove
Hero 5 bb ???

What ever the FGS is in this spot then you should never adjust anywhere close to as much in your original hand in the OP. FGS should be very accurate in this example hand and so you will never come into a spot with more FGS adjustment than this.
Im in coaching and my coach doesn't recommend use FGS for introduction about icm but after that I will study with FGS. thank you for the thinking process


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Your pot odds has changed significantly in second example. In first example you're pot odds are 46%, in second 35%.
effectively pot odd change ! I think is a little bit of a response about my question thank you! however pot odd in first spot 39,74% and the second 30,63% but thank you !
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10-30-2020 , 06:16 AM
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effectively pot odd change ! I think is a little bit of a response about my question thank you! however pot odd in first spot 39,74% and the second 30,63% but thank you !
No, check again your calculations, you got sth wrong. My numbers are correct.
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10-30-2020 , 06:47 AM
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Im in coaching and my coach doesn't recommend use FGS for introduction about icm but after that I will study with FGS. thank you for the thinking process
You might want to consider getting a refund and a new coach.
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11-02-2020 , 01:51 PM
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No, check again your calculations, you got sth wrong. My numbers are correct.
My bad, thank you

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You might want to consider getting a refund and a new coach.
Why ?
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