No that's BRUTAL! Just sick imo.

***** hell

graff in buyins for comparison porpoises plz

lol... even more sick...

anyone here thinks that that all in ev line its just a lie when you are playing dons?

FYP.

"EV" / "Luck" graphs tilt the **** out of me. Crutch for the weak minded imo. If you think about it for more than a millisecond you'll realize there is no way they can tell you anything at all.

I'm also willing to bet that most player graphs that are way under "EV" are graphs of players who have just been playing bad, typically "always getting it in good" which is obviously bad if you're trying to play the right way.

Not trying to be a douche. FWIW I had one of 'those' graphs too, and looking through the HHs I was nitting it up way too much and always "getting it in ahead and getting sucked out on" because I wasn't playing right.

Considering my history over the last 2 years, and the fact that I study 3/4 of my HH's...I'm gonna say I'm not playing poorly.

And a 90 buyin difference has to be telling you something. It may not be as extreme as it looks..but you can't just ignore it.

i'm sure you know this but, the EV graph doesnt have much to do with "getting it in good" which is obviously bad in sngs etc - as it is based on your expected equity from the all-in, not the chip difference. So you can't really infer this from these graph. I would happily take your bet if there was any systematic way we can show things.

People who post these graphs have been running bad in all-ins, bottom line. You can't say they played bad, or good, just that they've been damn unlucky on one of many factors - and probably the most 'visible' as well as easy to calculate - that govern how 'lucky' we get in SNGs. Whether you consider it relevant or not to sweat over this one measure of luck, I think it is fair to say the red line is a closer representation of your winrate than the green line.

Despite 90-buyins being pretty sucky, there are graphs of 200 buyin+ differences in this thread.

edit: i dont mean to say you shouldnt post 90-buyin diff graphs, just so you know that things can be 3x as worse!

So I just got HEM instead of PT3 and I think I found where all your luck went...Obv I am happy im up 200 bi's in EV but kind of discouraging because I thought I might actually be good.

Please give me back my luck. I need it to pay rent and buy food....eh, who am I kidding. I need it for hookers and blow.

And another 10 buyins below expectation in 45 games this morning.

I quit poker. Cashing out bankrolls on both sites, getting a crappy middle management job, and working 9-5. Not putting up with this crap anymore.

omg dont do that... you know what you do? Go live to a very very very cheap country where you dont need to spend more than $10 per day to have a confortable life... choose one without any case of that flu A disease... and with a good internet connection... search the web for beautifull places and take holidays while you are grinding there... that works for everybody

Thats the first graph ive ever seen significantly above expectation, either that or i just block them all out of my memory

Barg for a change: somehow managed to get a silver star at sharkscope.
part-time poker ftw imo..

Dave, this is why need a deep bankroll to play sngs for living, 200 buyins+ imo...Over a 2.5 month period and around 1500 $119s, I ran 130 buyins(u do the math) below all-in ev. If you are going to play sngs for a living, then you should expect and be prepared for something like this every year or 2.

With games getting tougher and ROIs lowering, the swings are going to be worse. If that is something you don't want to deal with annually then you should probably get a job and continue to play poker on the side since you are a winning player

SIQ, For me, the red line has never been a crutch but it made me feel better because it showed me how bad I ran in that aspect of sngs(which is pretty big when you are constantly flipping).

dave, gl in whatever you choose to do(poker/other)

tralalalala..


Poker Stars $11+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t800/t1600 Blinds + t75 - 4 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

SB: t15981 M = 5.92
Hero (BB): t28273 M = 10.47
CO: t7355 M = 2.72
BTN: t15891 M = 5.89

Pre Flop: (t2700) Hero is BB with Q Q
2 folds, SB calls t800, Hero raises to t4800, SB raises to t9600, Hero raises to t28198 all in, SB calls t6306 all in

Flop: (t32112) 3 5 6 (2 players - 2 are all in)

Turn: (t32112) A (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: (t32112) 7 (2 players - 2 are all in)

usually unfazed by sng bbv but this one made me chuckle

$10 don on the bubble

Party Poker $40000.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BTN: $3270.00
SB: $2030.00
BB: $2690.00
Hero (UTG): $2230.00
MP: $2350.00
CO: $2430.00

Pre Flop: ($600.00) Hero is UTG with 6 K
4 folds, SB raises to $800, BB calls $400

Flop: ($1600.00) A Q 9 (2 players)
SB bets $400.00, BB raises to $800, SB raises to $1190, BB calls $390

Turn: ($3980.00) 3 (2 players)

River: ($3980.00) 5 (2 players)

Final Pot: $3980.00
SB shows 9 A
BB shows 2 4
BB wins $4220.00
(Rake: $-240.00)

this is why i quit sngs.

My next 250 games since posting my last graph...that's right. Another 26 buyins under expectation. I officially have to drop from the 38s to the 16s. I can't even be comfortable playing the $27s with my $1900 bankroll, which was 4k 3 weeks ago.



Total downswing stats: 1196 games. 65 buyin downswing, for a total of -$1994. Running a robust 119 buyins under expectation, for a total of $4227 discrepancy between expectation and reality.

I was only half kidding about quitting earlier. At this pace I'll be busto in the next 2 weeks. Not even joking.

where do you play at?

want some advice? when I am running like hell I change room... diferent software, diferent players, like a reborn

I play on Stars. I have an account on Tilt, with a bonus I've been trying to clear...but I still haven't adjusted to their blind structure and feel I'm much more -EV in those games.

Generally how many regs are you playing against in a typical 38 9man?

This thread makes me feel much better and feel bad at the same time :S I is confused.

I table select, and refuse to load sets with more than 2 other regs at any level (27, 38, or 60)

Occasionally they'll load in behind me because they're idiots, so I'll sometime get games with up to 4 others.

if I am not wrong blind structures at full tilt are a little bit better in mtts and sng

and players are a bit worse...

give it a shot... if you have the bonus to clear plus 27% rakeback maybe its worth