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Old 05-03-2010, 06:19 PM   #201
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Re: normal 5 seat

Running bad sucks. I don't know your volume, but losing money over one month is probably not statistically significant and you shouldn't make changes based on that alone.

The problem is that it sounds like you are on major tilt and need to take a short break and re-evaluate your game. Not because you are losing, but because it sounds like you expect to lose. Go re-read a couple of good poker books, spend time on the forums, just walk away for a little bit, or whatever it takes to recharge your batteries.

To answer your questions on the type of tournaments, I think most people would say that smaller tournaments are generally more profitable per hour, while the larger tournaments can show a higher win rate. Same thing with normal and turbo - turbo is a higher profit per hour and normal is a higher win rate.

Good luck to you.
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Old 05-03-2010, 06:28 PM   #202
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Re: ****Official Beginner/Basic Question Thread****

Thanks.

I think ill slow down, i need to get more confident, i´m also thinking in going to stars, but at unibet i get around 30% rake.
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Old 05-04-2010, 01:13 PM   #203
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Re: ****Official Beginner/Basic Question Thread****

TRied again now at 2.25 € still losing against mutch weaker hands.

All ins pre flop AJ vs JK ( K )
A6 vs A3 ( 3)
99 vs t6 ( t)
......

All the same i´ll stop playing until rake comes, then ill decide if i change poker site cause this can´t be normal, This hands are ruining all my game, this should only happen about 30 % of times, it´s happening more than that.

1 entire month is ruining a 9 month play, drop fom 22 € to 2.25 € and i can´t control it.

I know i can always make my bank go up every month, but this ain´t downswing, this is impossible to win.

It happens when i take money out from unibet, but this month it´s completlty out of control.

Srry my bad english.
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Old 05-06-2010, 01:26 AM   #204
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Re: ****Official Beginner/Basic Question Thread****

Hi i was wondering where i should post to ask someone to filter my sharkscope results for me so it will show my life time 5.20 DoN profits.

If anyone can do this, or point me in the right direction. please PM me
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Old 05-06-2010, 01:02 PM   #205
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DON expectatiions

How many of these should I have played before I can have a reasonable understanding of my hourly? Also what kind of ROI should I be aiming for playing at the $52 level on stars? How many tables should I try to be playing at this level? Thanks for any help.
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Old 05-06-2010, 02:08 PM   #206
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$10 & $20 DoN STT Strategy Improvements

Last time I got knocked out of a tourney someone made a squeeze play with AK and I was in the BB with QQ. The person with AK had made a similar move during the previous blind level. I had a 56% chance of winning but lost. The three times before that I had 64%, 69%, and 73% chance of winning. I know that if I had done the exact same thing an infinite number of times it would eventually make me a lot of money. But, I'm wondering if there is better strategy for consistently getting in the money. I'm trying to figure out if I'm doing something wrong, if I could be doing something better, or if I'm just on an unlucky streak. I'm thinking I should cut down on going all in (at least preflop) when I'm likely to only have a small edge like 60% chance of winning.

I just started using the trial version of PT3 and the hud has really helped me a couple of times. I also like how it keeps records for me. What I don't know how to do is use it to analyze and improve my poker game. What kind of things (reports maybe) have DoN players used to improve their game?
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Old 05-06-2010, 02:12 PM   #207
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Re: $10 & $20 DoN STT Strategy Improvements

In DoNs, so much happens preflop, that you are going to get sick coolered a lot. It's just variance and evens out in the end.

DoNs generally play very tight in early stages and then become push or fold fests, shoving ATC is pretty standard in a DoN.

If you are really new to DoNs, i'd start at the 5 dollar ones to learn the game. they are less reg filled and you'd possibly still have a positive ROI if you play sub-optimal while learning.

But don't think you immediatly figured them out, there is a lot more to DoNs than meets the eye, and most fish are people that tried it and got on a heater and can't stop playing now.
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Old 05-06-2010, 05:54 PM   #208
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how to play HU in the end of a 6max

hi guys! i didnt want to post but im getting exasperated and I want some clarifications if its possible.

dont wonna sound llike a whiner but ive got tilted after 5k sngs .
im losing like 7/10 HUps and waited for so long to post cause i was thinking its variance, poker, wutev but nothing happened and tonight im officially tilted
Just an example, tonight received a call w 69 on a JJQ flop and he made a straight,tried all sorts of plays, i m losing very often races that im slightly favourite, when im slightly behind again im losing ......this is a sample of what im gettin.

but i dont want my post to be about bad beats ....

in 6max HU u dont have many blinds to make moves or to raise etc....very often its a push/fold exercise. tonight, again on a 60 games sample 44% ITM ...40% 2nd place....of course today seemed to be a special day....never ran that worse in HU. Even when i have an upswing i have more 2nds than 1sts...this situation its killing me.

used to play 5$ Hu sngs and had a 20% ROI but my sample wasnt too large(700 games or so)

I want to know how do u play HU in the end of a 6max.
i want to know ure opinion about how luck is involved in this kind of play?(push/fold) cause this is the only explanation im gettin so far....im unlucky! but its in contradiction with what i know about poker.
Should I hope that on the 5th(or who knows) set of 5000 games i will have a staggering 14% ROI, 42 % ITM, 24% 1st ????
do u have any advice beside stop playing sngs ??? ))

ps...im a winning player beating the games for a small ROI 3%(playing the 11$)
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Old 05-06-2010, 06:10 PM   #209
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Re: $10 & $20 DoN STT Strategy Improvements

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.I just started using the trial version of PT3
wait till you are well used to what it can tell you before you expect to really gain the benefits
they are innumerable
check the threads that tell which stats to pull up

i saw a post which summed up DoNs in 5 words,
have been trying to find it since, it was one with many pages of replies, about a standard AK or something like that,
anyone care to try the same?
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Old 05-06-2010, 06:24 PM   #210
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Re: $10 & $20 DoN STT Strategy Improvements

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What I don't know how to do is use it to analyze and improve my poker game. What kind of things (reports maybe) have DoN players used to improve their game?
This milestone post by Hood is pretty good imo

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/36...-tl-dr-625856/
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Old 05-06-2010, 06:27 PM   #211
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How many of these should I have played before I can have a reasonable understanding of my hourly? Also what kind of ROI should I be aiming for playing at the $52 level on stars? How many tables should I try to be playing at this level? Thanks for any help.
ROI at $52 level is going to be very low, maybe 2% tops. Try sharkscoping some of the top regs to see what they achieve. As for a sample size, I'd suggest a min 5k of them before you start to draw conclusions. They are full of regs and very swongy.
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Old 05-06-2010, 06:43 PM   #212
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I just started 16 tabling DONs on Stars. Are there any other decent sites with volume for these at $20-$50 levels? I checked out a few so far but they seemed to have double rake and less volume so even with rakeback would not be worth it.
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Old 05-06-2010, 09:57 PM   #213
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Re: ****Official Beginner/Basic Question Thread****

Just got into Poker again recently and have started by playing 3 or so tables at a time on Pokerstars, mainly the 1 table $3 SNG tourneys.

I have tried to use this as a guide on exactly how to play:

http://www.unknownpoker.com/poker/te...g-strategy.htm

Are there any better guides out there or improvements to be made?

It feels weird for me that i should be folding an AQ suited at the start of the game. You get $1500 cash to start, should i throwing up to $100 or so on this hand or should i actually be folding?

Any other help would be great.

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Old 05-07-2010, 02:28 AM   #214
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Re: ****Official Beginner/Basic Question Thread****

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Just got into Poker again recently and have started by playing 3 or so tables at a time on Pokerstars, mainly the 1 table $3 SNG tourneys.

I have tried to use this as a guide on exactly how to play:

http://www.unknownpoker.com/poker/te...g-strategy.htm

Are there any better guides out there or improvements to be made?

It feels weird for me that i should be folding an AQ suited at the start of the game. You get $1500 cash to start, should i throwing up to $100 or so on this hand or should i actually be folding?

Any other help would be great.

Cheers
Skipped to the bubble part of that "guide" and saw its completely useless. That guide is crap...

http://cvsng.blogspot.com/2007/11/partial-sng-book.html

Gives you a better start imo.
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Old 05-07-2010, 11:21 AM   #215
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Re: ****Official Beginner/Basic Question Thread****

Didn't want to make a topic for this since I'm pretty sure it's a call but I'd like some thoughts on this DoN hand. Sick stuff imo. SB=loose, guaranteed to be in for the ride.

Poker Stars $5.00+$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t300/t600 Blinds + t60 - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Hero (BTN): t475 M = 0.38
SB: t2580 M = 2.05
BB: t3210 M = 2.55
UTG: t535 M = 0.42
MP: t1215 M = 0.96
CO: t6985 M = 5.54

Pre Flop: (t1260) Hero is BTN with A A
UTG calls t475 all in, 2 folds, Hero ???
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Old 05-07-2010, 12:48 PM   #216
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Re: ****Official Beginner/Basic Question Thread****

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Didn't want to make a topic for this since I'm pretty sure it's a call but I'd like some thoughts on this DoN hand. Sick stuff imo. SB=loose, guaranteed to be in for the ride.

Poker Stars $5.00+$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t300/t600 Blinds + t60 - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Hero (BTN): t475 M = 0.38
SB: t2580 M = 2.05
BB: t3210 M = 2.55
UTG: t535 M = 0.42
MP: t1215 M = 0.96
CO: t6985 M = 5.54


Pre Flop: (t1260) Hero is BTN with A A
UTG calls t475 all in, 2 folds, Hero ???
Definitely a fold. If you had slightly more than the UTG then I'd call. But as it is if you both lose you're out of the money.
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Old 05-07-2010, 01:28 PM   #217
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Re: ****Official Beginner/Basic Question Thread****

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Didn't want to make a topic for this since I'm pretty sure it's a call but I'd like some thoughts on this DoN hand. Sick stuff imo. SB=loose, guaranteed to be in for the ride.

Poker Stars $5.00+$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t300/t600 Blinds + t60 - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Hero (BTN): t475 M = 0.38
SB: t2580 M = 2.05
BB: t3210 M = 2.55
UTG: t535 M = 0.42
MP: t1215 M = 0.96
CO: t6985 M = 5.54

Pre Flop: (t1260) Hero is BTN with A A
UTG calls t475 all in, 2 folds, Hero ???
snap fold
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Old 05-08-2010, 03:02 AM   #218
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Re: ****Official Beginner/Basic Question Thread****

Villain is random. I am a little rusty. There is no way we can fold, right?

Full Tilt Poker $6 + $0.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t15/t30 Blinds - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

SB: t1500 M = 33.33
BB: t1500 M = 33.33
Hero (UTG): t1500 M = 33.33
UTG+1: t1500 M = 33.33
UTG+2: t1500 M = 33.33
MP1: t1500 M = 33.33
MP2: t1500 M = 33.33
CO: t1500 M = 33.33
BTN: t1500 M = 33.33

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is UTG with K A
Hero raises to t90, 3 folds, MP2 calls t90, 4 folds

Flop: (t225) A 7 6 (2 players)
Hero bets t135, MP2 raises to t420, Hero raises to t1410 all in, MP2 calls t990 all in

Turn: (t3045) 6 (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: (t3045) 2 (2 players - 2 are all in)
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Old 05-10-2010, 12:52 PM   #219
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Re: ****Official Beginner/Basic Question Thread****

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Villain is random. I am a little rusty. There is no way we can fold, right?

Full Tilt Poker $6 + $0.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t15/t30 Blinds - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

SB: t1500 M = 33.33
BB: t1500 M = 33.33
Hero (UTG): t1500 M = 33.33
UTG+1: t1500 M = 33.33
UTG+2: t1500 M = 33.33
MP1: t1500 M = 33.33
MP2: t1500 M = 33.33
CO: t1500 M = 33.33
BTN: t1500 M = 33.33

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is UTG with K A
Hero raises to t90, 3 folds, MP2 calls t90, 4 folds

Flop: (t225) A 7 6 (2 players)
Hero bets t135, MP2 raises to t420, Hero raises to t1410 all in, MP2 calls t990 all in

Turn: (t3045) 6 (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: (t3045) 2 (2 players - 2 are all in)
Bet a bit more on the flop, but otherwise totally fine, no way you should get away from this here against a random in a low stakes game.
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Old 05-10-2010, 02:21 PM   #220
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Re: ****Official Beginner/Basic Question Thread****

I'm in the UK and during the week can only really play at times between 7PM and 10PM UK time (lunchtime US). If I'm playing the $6.5 turbos on PS it's not uncommon to be finding 5 or 6 at the table with reg stats. I've noticed that at weekends and on the few occasions I try playing much later, say 3-5AM UK time, there's a significantly lower proportion of regs.

This is presumably because most people playing at my time are daytime players in the US or European, and all the US donks play in the evening over there? I realise this probably seems a bit ridiculous, but am I being seriously hindered by this?
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Old 05-11-2010, 09:20 PM   #221
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Tables per hour?

Am just kind of curious about how many STTs per hour one can play? More specifically 9 handed turbos on stars with 12 tabling or 18 tabling and either sets or continuous?

Thanks in advance.
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Old 05-11-2010, 09:29 PM   #222
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Re: Tables per hour?

If you were 18tabling continous sets, I bet youd average around 30 games an hour or so. Doing continuous sessions is really gonna up your games per hour.

People can, and do, a lot more than 18 table the 9mans.
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Old 05-11-2010, 11:06 PM   #223
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Is it better to cascade or tile for STTs? I'm guessing it all kind of depends on how much space you have, but am just curious on what people actually do for mass tabling.
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Old 05-12-2010, 12:02 AM   #224
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Re: ****Official Beginner/Basic Question Thread****

Stacking is by far the best for mass tabling IMO.
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Old 05-12-2010, 03:49 AM   #225
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Re: ****Official Beginner/Basic Question Thread****

Does anyone have sng wiz and pokerstove alternatives for mac??
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