in PT3 graphs, (and PT4 I assume) is there any use to the display All-In EV line for chips/BB's won?? Or is it just there to depress

Thx

hey guys/girls. I play the micro 9man on stars. I don't know what i'm doing when it gets to 5 players and bb100 level. I obviously doing tons of things wrong as you can see my screenshots below. I need some help finding what i'm doing wrong. All other places and blind levels I do fine except this. At level 50/100 is where i play the most hands so it's probably the most important place to improve. Any help is appreciated.

Blind Levels



Number of players



Finish Distribution

Indeed, I would be very sceptical of any AIEV function. From what I see in PT4 it is just calculating cEV and assuming 1500 chips is 1BI. This is nearly useless because 1500 chips on the bubble is ~1.75BI (depending on the chip setup) where as 1500 on the first hand is .93BI.

@Nititup, what you are doing there doesn't really tell if you are too tight, or what. Post hands. I see you have 600 tourneys, if you posted a graph and asked if you were a winning player, we would say play more tourneys. If this is true, you can have a variation of chipstacks and situations over this many tourneys. If that is true, maybe you are getting unlucky, or having a specific chip setups more than this or that. Soooo, what you are trying to do there is mostly a useless exercise, sorry.

Trying to get back to S&G´s but looking on PokerStars audits only appear from one year to date, so want to get some numbers back from older date.

Could someone search me on tracking site (Logan C Troy) filter by:

$1.50 9man turbo all time
$3.50 9man turbo all time
$1.50 18man turbo all time
$3.50 18man turbo all time

Thanks.

Nitup, you may be doing the following things a little wrong:

1/ Not threebetting enough. That stat looks a bit low to me.
2/ Your WTSD/W$SD implies you are taking a few too many hands to showdown that you should have folded earlier in the hand.
3/ You don't cbet anywhere near enough.

If I had to guess, you probably don't steal enough and don't follow up with enough cbets when you do steal.

I need to get some software like sng wiz , can anyone give me a quick heads up of the free and paid options, basically is there anythig better than sng wiz that does the same jobs ?

Thanks bud . this helps a bit. Very useful information I did not know due to the fact I don't have any info from anyone to compare my stats to.

Logan C Troy
PokerStars
SNG Turbo : Blinds level increase faster than normal. E:9-18 $1-4
2,811
$0.11
$2.26
3.1%
4.5%
$315
$714

I'd just caution you though that the right thing to do is focus on playing well. The stats should follow. Apart from anything else, there's no "right" answer and you can't easily tell which mistakes you are making just by the cumulative effect on your figures.

Best thing would be to post some hands at the blind level you're concerned about.

I agree. Posting actual hands is the best way to get feedback and to learn.

Average Duration of 9man hypers anyone? Just starting to mix in a few to fill up beginning/end of session.

Hey guys, beginner player here, really didnt know where to post this but im sure id be able to find the answer from you. Well anyway this is my graph from playing micro hypers on stars and was just wondering about this hugggee gap between my c net won and adjusted, does this mean i have alot to work on my game/I have many leaks etc.

Well anyway if someone could tell me something about it then it would be appreciated. Cheers

Anywhere from 15-20 minutes really.

Does anybody have a large database and tell me what is the average finish time for 6 max, 9 max and 18 max turbo SNG'S?

Cheers

Haven't played STTs in a LONG time but my backer wants me to use my FPPs on the 235FPP satties (so roughly 49.6%*2, 0.8% prize structure). While I'm early in playing through them, I want to post some hands for review which might be completely standard. I can't justify paying for SNGWiz at the moment.

1)

PokerStars - $0+$0|25/50 Ante 10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 370 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
CO: 940 (VPIP: 18.75, PFR: 18.18, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 16)
Hero (BTN): 500
SB: 1,190 (VPIP: 37.50, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 8)

4 players post ante of 10, SB posts SB 25, BB posts BB 50

Pre Flop: (pot: 115) Hero has 9 4

fold

2)

PokerStars - $0+$0|50/100 Ante 20 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 3 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 750 (VPIP: 26.09, PFR: 17.65, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 24)
Hero (SB): 705
BB: 1,545 (VPIP: 35.71, PFR: 41.67, 3Bet Preflop: 40.00, Hands: 14)

3 players post ante of 20, Hero posts SB 50, BB posts BB 100

Pre Flop: (pot: 210) Hero has T K

fold

3) Wondering about BB's call, looks like a fold to me?

PokerStars - $0+$0|50/100 Ante 20 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 925 (VPIP: 37.50, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 16)
BTN: 685 (VPIP: 21.43, PFR: 23.08, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 16)
Hero (SB): 720
BB: 670 (VPIP: 21.88, PFR: 13.04, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 35)

4 players post ante of 20, Hero posts SB 50, BB posts BB 100

Pre Flop: (pot: 230)

fold, BTN raises to 665 and is all-in, fold, BB calls 550 and is all-in (with A9s)

4) The guy hadn't done anything incredibly weird.

PokerStars - $0+$0|25/50 Ante 10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 1,230
SB: 440 (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
BB: 375 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
CO: 955 (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)

4 players post ante of 10, SB posts SB 25, BB posts BB 50

Pre Flop: (pot: 115) Hero has K T

CO calls 50,

5) BB seems a little too wide in most spots and open-limped the BTN with J2s 3 handed with a 2k stack vs 2 500 stacks.

PokerStars - $0+$0|50/100 Ante 20 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 3 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (SB): 555
BB: 1,395 (VPIP: 62.50, PFR: 63.64, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 17)
BTN: 1,050 (VPIP: 17.65, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)

3 players post ante of 20, Hero posts SB 50, BB posts BB 100

Pre Flop: (pot: 210) Hero has 3 4

fold

Hi just have a simple brm question hoping for a serious answer please as I'm terrible with working things out. I play 6max turbos on stars and am looking for what brm I should be using with 1250$? It gives me 83 bi at the 15$ level and I have a 7% roi over a good sample at the 3.50 and 7$ games. Hope to get an answer thanks again. Regards brad.

Play 15s and move down if you run it down to $700 I guess.

Is 100 ABI (average buyins) considered standard for 18-man SNGs?
So I can play 7s and 15s after with ~$1100 in my bankroll and then 15s and 30s with $2200?
I don't depend on money from poker for a living, so an aggressive move up-down the limits is not a problem and I have the discipline to move down when I need to. Suggestions?
Talking about turbo 18 man games on Stars.
I am also considering going for Supernova next year. I can play ~3 hours a day since I have a fulltime job. Calculations show that with 34 games/day at $30 level with 20 days of playing every month this is achievable. Do you think ~3h of playtime are enough for 34 games?
More questions: at what level can I expect the games to become more filled with regs rather than recs/weak players? (I consider myself a rec in this format for now)

Hello guys

Well I think these are beginner's questions
I have heard/read that 9men turbo sng-s are pretty much "solved" here in 2013, meaning that these have the lowest ROI numbers, so this is not the poker format for making a living as a pro. Any opinions on this?
In the FAQ I found some numbers for attainable ROI, for example 8% @ $16 on Stars. But that was written in june 2011. Is it still a good estimate?

Thanks.

Is selecting "winnings in chips" the only way to check your EV line on PT3? I'm -5 BIs down this month but both my EV line and my winning in chips are above 0. How is that possible?

Basically because winnings in chips don't consider rake. You don't pay your rake in chips.
So if you have 0 chips won/lost - you lose to rake.
Over a lot of games, you may have a positive number for chips won, but negative $ results.

Right. It makes sense, thank you.

Hi simple question. I play 6max turbos on stars and was wondering where could I find the most articles or reading material for these? Hope some people know thanks.

those golden sng's does it alert you like with those milestone hands promotion if your sng got selected?

Just play whatever you beat and drop down if you have a bad DS.

I can't speak to your other questions but how many games you can get in in 3 hours is going to depend a lot on how many tables you can play and how quickly you can get them loaded at the times you can play. So that question really isn't answerable by us. Probably the best thing is to watch the lobby for an evening and count.

I don't play 18man turbos but when games become regfilled is another difficult question. If I play at 5AM I can have games full of fish. If I play at 7PM the only guys playing are eastern European grinders and the odd fish.


Turbo sngs are not solved or anywhere close to it but there are strategies that win that a lot of people know now and a lot of recreational players have at least some clue, whereas a few years ago, many of them simply didn't.

You could attain 8% at 16s but you have to understand that when we say 8% is "attainable", we don't mean it's attainable for everyone who turns up.

And as with so many things, it really depends on you. Do you single-table? Do you play four at a time? Forty? Have you studied ICM? Do you have other strengths? I mean, the best answer is "who knows how you will do?" Best way is to try it and see.