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Ugh still not sure on the 77 hand. Do we really want to shove that into the laggy CL when the shorty is about to be down to barely a blind? I don't have Wiz atm to assign any ranges, but it can't be much wider than 77 if that's even a shove, no?

I agree with the fold just because we have a really short player that have just a blind
Well I put the hand in the sng wiz and without make any range adjust (on the BB) it would be a fold (the push range would be 99+ AQ+ AJs+), also wiz assumes that the villain range to call is pretty wide (17%) for a bubble situation, considerating my stack.
Which i think is really closer to the villain real range. So I agree that it should be a fold.

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07-24-2012 , 01:44 AM

#1477

Monkey Banana

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BB never calls that wide and you don't actually get any prizes for being nitty.

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07-24-2012 , 06:55 AM

#1478

grindtolive

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Originally Posted by grindtolive

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $300(BB) Replayer
SB ($6,220)
Hero ($2,585)
CO ($2,515)
BTN ($2,180)

Dealt to Hero J

fold, fold, SB raises to $6,195 (AI), Hero calls $2,260 (AI)

FLOP ($5,220) 7

TURN ($5,220) 7

RIVER ($5,220) 7

Hero shows J

(Pre 45%, Flop 80.7%, Turn 88.6%)

I decided to call here because sb is regular and i know he will be very wide.According to nash suprisingly this is a fold.According to wizard even if he is in 100% range this is a fold

I would like to hear any thoughts here

bump

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07-24-2012 , 07:42 AM

#1479

Doublez-Down

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Seems like a standard fold and probably JJ+ (ish)

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07-24-2012 , 07:50 AM

#1480

Tonitto

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yah, standard fold

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07-24-2012 , 07:59 AM

#1481

grindtolive

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Originally Posted by Doublez-Down

Seems like a standard fold and probably JJ+ (ish)

I think even AQ is call here because we dont have any edge so you cant fold monsters bvb like AQ

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07-24-2012 , 02:35 PM

#1482

Haarlem91

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KJs is definitely a fold, might be calling AQ sometimes

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07-24-2012 , 03:21 PM

#1483

WeeDan121

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Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 38

No Limit Holdem Tournament
PokerStars
5 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com
$1.32+$0.18

Stacks:
UTG BRAK555 (3,645) 9bb
CO LPM25 (1,395) 3bb
BTN WeeDan121 (1,570) 4bb
SB playgood009 (2,390) 6bb
BB Diurpaneus10 (4,500) 11bb

Blinds: 200/400 Ante 25

Pre-Flop: (725, 5 players) WeeDan121 is BTN J

BRAK555 raises to 800, 1 fold

Hero?? The villain was a 24/17(over a small sample).. I would like to know if u guys think the shove here still profitable, knowing that he gonna call me many times here after he raises and also assuming that he's range to raise from the UTG is not so wide.
thx all!

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07-24-2012 , 03:26 PM

#1484

P3nnyWise

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Quick question regarding attainable roi in the 1.5 $ turbos.

Currently I am mixing 6man 9man/knockout and running at 17% roi over 500 games. I assume this is just me running good but what is a normal attainable roi for a solid player at this level?

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07-24-2012 , 05:05 PM

#1485

Doublez-Down

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Originally Posted by WeeDan121

Shove really fast. You have 4BBs, and there are no real shorty ICM/bubble issues. Of course he's gonna call but so what.

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07-26-2012 , 01:23 PM

#1486

Haarlem91

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villain is 26/12, not really super loose but pretty passive

what is your play on the river?

[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $13.92 Buy-in (25/50 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13581952

BTN: 1,765 (35.3 bb)
SB: 1,190 (23.8 bb)
Hero (BB): 1,920 (38.4 bb)
UTG: 1,890 (37.8 bb)
MP: 1,015 (20.3 bb)
CO: 1,220 (24.4 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J

3 folds, BTN calls 50, SB completes, Hero checks

Flop: (150) K

(3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets 105, BTN calls 105, SB folds

Turn: (360) 7

(2 players)
Hero bets 208, BTN calls 208

River: (776) T

(2 players)
Hero

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07-26-2012 , 09:32 PM

#1487

Regret$

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C/f unless he bets really small or something. This run out is too nasty so I would just c/f versus any reasonable bet. He will be scared of the 4 straight and checkback pretty much everything. The board is too bad, as many TP/2ndP hands have gotten there. It is not really a balanced line, but you will not get exploited here often imo. We maybe lose value against a half dozen hands, so its not like we are really even giving up much value. I'd guess we are very close to 50/50 versus his calling range, even though its pretty hard for him to have a set.

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07-27-2012 , 02:29 AM

#1488

AryaStarkIsaBadass

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I would bet rather small and hope he rivered two pair / heros random pair. Just check/mostly folding isn't a bad line tho imo

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07-27-2012 , 05:27 AM

#1489

NeA

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Poker Stars, $3.20 Buy-in (150/300 blinds, 25 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 4 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

BTN: 2,220 (7.4 bb)
SB: 2,165 (7.2 bb)
BB: 6,705 (22.4 bb)
Hero (CO): 2,410 (8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with T

Hero raises to 2,385 and is all-in, 2 folds, BB calls 2,085

Flop: (5,020) 5

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
Turn: (5,020) Q

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: (5,020) K

(2 players, 1 is all-in)

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This was a 9 max SNG.

To be honest I'm pretty clueless when it comes to bubble situations, I usually just play to try and win.
I'm not sure what the right play is here. All the other 3 players were regs.

There was 550 in the pot pre.
Would appreciate some advice here.

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07-27-2012 , 08:12 AM

#1490

Haarlem91

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18m, 6handed

is shoving here too loose or std?

thx

[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $13.89 Buy-in (200/400 blinds, 25 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13587402

BTN: 9,180 (23 bb)
SB: 4,641 (11.6 bb)
BB: 2,963 (7.4 bb)
Hero (UTG): 2,756 (6.9 bb)
MP: 2,999 (7.5 bb)
CO: 4,461 (11.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A

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07-27-2012 , 11:08 AM

#1491

siebenacht

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Both easy shoves.

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07-27-2012 , 03:07 PM

#1492

WeeDan121

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Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 38

No Limit Holdem Tournament
PokerStars
5 Players
$1.32+$0.18

Stacks:
UTG skilled86 (1,435) 7bb
CO amkoroew (3,755) 19bb
BTN vilumisiek (3,935) 20bb
SB BETEPAH (2,127) 11bb
BB WeeDan121 (2,248) 11bb

Blinds: 100/200

Pre-Flop: (300, 5 players) WeeDan121 is BB A

3 folds, BETEPAH goes all-in 2,127, WeeDan121 calls 1,927

Flop: 2

(4,254, 2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: 10

(4,254, 2 players, 1 all-in)

River: 5

(4,254, 2 players, 1 all-in)

Well in this case, I just had played 32 hands against this villain and he stats was 19/19(VPIP/PFR). So you guys think I can consider this statistics to make my move?

thank you all!

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07-29-2012 , 07:12 AM

#1493

Haarlem91

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standard call

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07-30-2012 , 09:21 AM

#1494

Haarlem91

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I just played a bunch of 6 max hypers on stars and realized I don't see an EV line (red line) in my graphs in Hold em manager. Is there a reason this is not showing up?

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07-30-2012 , 11:40 AM

#1495

WeeDan121

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No Limit Hold'em Tournament T10/T20
Buy-in: $1.32+$0.18 USD Hold'em No Limit
PokerStars
9 players
Formatted by pokercopilot.com - Mac OS X hand history analysis and tracking

Stacks:
UTG - UTG (T1.500)
UTG+1 - UTG+1 (T1.010)
UTG+2 - Hero (T1.420)
MP - MP (T1.490)
MP2 - MP2 (T1.470)
CO - CO (T1.470)
BTN - BTN (T1.460)
SB - SB (T2.420)
BB - BB (T1.260)

Preflop: (T30, 9 players) Hero is UTG+2 with A

2 folds, Hero raises to T60, 1 fold, MP2 calls T60, 2 folds, SB calls T50, BB calls T40

Flop: 6

(T240, 4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets T120, MP2 raises to T240

How do u guys react in this kind of situation?? I aways get lost in a spot like that,u guys think in those bi this players can do this with a FD? which line do u guys think is better here? I know can sound stupid but I have pretty basic douts like that..

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07-30-2012 , 07:20 PM

#1496

P3nnyWise

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I think betting bigger on the flop is preferable so you can get more value, by only betting half pot you lose a lot of value from FD/Qx/6x hands that villains like to call with on this level.

without further reads/stats and if SB and BB folded I would recommend raising/shipping and stacking off here. I think you are very much ahead of villains line especially if its just a random at the 1.5 $ level.

Btw WeeDan121 I have played with you some on Ps

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07-31-2012 , 11:23 AM

#1497

WeeDan121

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Originally Posted by P3nnyWise

Hmm I agree that i should bet stronger on the flop, but I got really confused by the mini reraise. I realy don't know if he would do this with any Ax or Qx.
Well here I think that he would do this just with something way better than my TP or maaaybe in a FD(but generally when have a FD they just call and a few times makes a big reraise)..

BTW What is ur nick on PS?

thank you for the comment!!

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07-31-2012 , 11:43 AM

#1498

P3nnyWise

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I am no expert but I think he has AJ/AT/FD maybe some straight draw + second pair enough off the time to make raising and stacking a little profitable, however I guess you can fold too since its pretty early in the tournament and you can find better spots later on.

nicking Vaseline27 on PS. are you grinding the normal 9 man turbos?

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07-31-2012 , 11:54 AM

#1499

grindtolive

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Originally Posted by Haarlem91

I just played a bunch of 6 max hypers on stars and realized I don't see an EV line (red line) in my graphs in Hold em manager. Is there a reason this is not showing up?

HEM doesnt show ev in hypers correctly? You found gold. I found there is no correct red line for 18 mans

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