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Depends a lot on BB. With 8BB you can generally open up much more than 10BB. If BB is playing honest and your image is clean, I would shove K8s+ or something like that.

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06-17-2012 , 08:43 PM

#1402

Kaisa

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Need some help at 6 max hyper-turbos. Here is some hands that i would like to get help at:

Spoiler:

it would be nice to get some feedback. I have more hands but dont want to litter too much.

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06-17-2012 , 10:16 PM

#1403

brim

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Hand 1:
Depends on the players a lot, I'd probably shove readless.

Hand 2:
According to Wiz, call is +EV as long as he's shoving wider than 50%.

Hand 3:
Read this post for help HU. http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/18...ubukov-560408/
Nash has it as a shove and chubukov has it as a fold (althogh only by .25 SBs).

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06-18-2012 , 11:40 AM

#1404

Haarlem91

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18m itm, wiz tells me 77+ a10+ here..isn't that way off again? We are the short stack, about to get hit by the blinds..

[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $13.89 Buy-in (300/600 blinds, 50 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 4 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13247132

BTN: 11,626 (19.4 bb)
SB: 5,715 (9.5 bb)
BB: 5,255 (8.8 bb)
Hero (CO): 4,404 (7.3 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 5

Hero raises to 4,354 and is all-in, 2 folds, BB calls 3,754

Flop: (9,208) 6

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
Turn: (9,208) J

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: (9,208) T

(2 players, 1 is all-in)

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06-18-2012 , 12:54 PM

#1405

TomoDaK

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Yes way off

Look at chipEV and see what hands are decent pushes, then see what kind neg edge that equates too

Btw I start to consider ICM when we're like 2-3 from money usually, otherwise chipev ftw in most spots.

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06-18-2012 , 02:27 PM

#1406

Haarlem91

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Originally Posted by TomoDaK

Yes way off

sngwiz is pretty difficult

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06-18-2012 , 02:41 PM

#1407

Kaisa

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I am looking for 6max hyper turbo videos, no luck yet. Is it ok to watch turbo/regular sngs and learn something that way ? Also is it helpful to read Collin Moshmans book for sngs ?

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06-18-2012 , 11:04 PM

#1408

siebenacht

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Originally Posted by Kaisa

Is it ok to watch turbo/regular sngs and learn something that way ? Also is it helpful to read Collin Moshmans book for sngs ?

yes and yes, imo. I don't think he covers 6max all that much though.

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06-19-2012 , 03:45 AM

#1409

grindtolive

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Originally Posted by Kaisa

I am looking for 6max hyper turbo videos, no luck yet. Is it ok to watch turbo/regular sngs and learn something that way ? Also is it helpful to read Collin Moshmans book for sngs ?

There arent many videos in 6 max sup turbo.I found 2-3 and i didnt see them yet.The edges in sup turbos are tiny thats why it is hard to get decent videos.The pros want to keep the edges for themselves

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06-19-2012 , 07:31 AM

#1410

Kaisa

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Originally Posted by siebenacht

yes and yes, imo. I don't think he covers 6max all that much though.

But reading it or any other kind of book/thread about sngs would give me rough idea to work further on my own game right ?

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06-19-2012 , 01:11 PM

#1411

shimmy

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Not being funny, but is this "normal" variance? 50% $15, 50% $30 and also approx 50/50 6-man/9-man.

edit: forgot to add are all turbos (stars).

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06-19-2012 , 01:29 PM

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TomoDaK

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Sorry to break it to ya shimmy, but that isnt' even a big swing that is classified under the 'super standard' category. Even swings of up to 60-75 buyins are fairly common

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06-19-2012 , 03:07 PM

#1413

downswing4ever

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Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 38

I'm playing 18 man turbos, got about 1400 games at -2% ROI. I feel like I am running terribly but the only indicator is chip EV on the reports tab...

I will probably get 'keep playing' 'keep posting hands' but I would like some idea of how I am running...

Would 330k below EV say I am being unlucky? My winrate in BB is +ve as well but I just lose loads of all ins...

Hard to make out but it's -230k winnings, 100k EV adjusted and 2.7 bb/100

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06-19-2012 , 05:39 PM

#1414

shimmy

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Originally Posted by shimmy

Not being funny, but is this "normal" variance? 50% $15, 50% $30 and also approx 50/50 6-man/9-man.

edit: forgot to add are all turbos (stars).

Fair enough, I'm largely a cash game player now and a few years since I played SNGs in any great volume - guess I'll have to get used to it. TY for reply, GL.

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06-20-2012 , 08:00 AM

#1415

MediumRoller

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Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 18

Wondering What the Average time it takes for a 9 Man Hyper SNG, from someone with a good sample size.
Searched the forums and interwebs cant find an answer.
9 Mins for a 6 max I hear
so I guess around 12?

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06-23-2012 , 08:58 PM

#1416

Regret$

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Need to know which site/structure.

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06-24-2012 , 02:20 PM

#1417

jessieRN

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just wondering can you beat 6 max hyper turbos. and be successful at it. is there anyone out there successful at these sorts of games

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06-24-2012 , 02:58 PM

#1418

siebenacht

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Alot of guys are successful in them. Wondering why you would think something else?

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06-24-2012 , 03:31 PM

#1419

noobis

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Hi,i start use ninja and its pretty sweet.But when i use sng opener and play 10 tables,if a lose or win a sng ninja open a new ok?When a new sng registred,pokerstar's lobby and filter are thrown in front and this is very unlike,i must stop play and minimaze the lobby.So can i do something for that?

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06-25-2012 , 09:35 AM

#1420

Haarlem91

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Originally Posted by noobis

there is a tableninja thread that can be found here http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/16...rstars-358599/

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06-25-2012 , 09:37 AM

#1421

Haarlem91

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15$ 18m, sb is a reg, bb is a semi fish

what are we doing with these odds?easy call or easy fold?

[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $13.89 Buy-in (50/100 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 7 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13325552

SB: 1,205 (12.1 bb)
BB: 1,216 (12.2 bb)
MP1: 3,720 (37.2 bb)
MP2: 1,275 (12.8 bb)
MP3: 1,374 (13.7 bb)
CO: 1,034 (10.3 bb)
Hero (BTN): 4,710 (47.1 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with A

4 folds, Hero raises to 200, SB raises to 1,205 and is all-in, BB raises to 1,216 and is all-in, Hero calls 1,016

Flop: (3,637) 3

(3 players, 2 are all-in)
Turn: (3,637) 3

(3 players, 2 are all-in)
River: (3,637) 7

(3 players, 2 are all-in)

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06-25-2012 , 09:56 AM

#1422

siebenacht

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Easy shove pre for 12bb effective stacks. As played you just created a difficult decision, since BBs overcall is likely AK+, QQ+. Im not that concerned about sb, hes a reg and he could be wide here. I think i wouldn't fold though since AQo is just a tad to strong in a 3 way pot. Also we do have enough stack to find out.

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06-25-2012 , 12:19 PM

#1423

TomoDaK

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AK QQ seems like a pretty insane overcall range. Random semi fish is not folding TT AK AQs here, potentially throwin in some worse too.

Shoving pre seems like a pretty insane play, why would you want to force them to fold a bunch of reshove/fishflat hands

. ~Minraise is the only play there

Seems like a really close fold as played, I would call if suited. I would call if SB has a solid reshove game, but most regs are way too tight here and he's prob reppin a 15% range or w/e

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06-25-2012 , 05:58 PM

#1424

siebenacht

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If you would 2x/call for the reasons you just mentioned i would understand it.
But how can you argue, that we would fold out reshoves to which we fold anyway. Wouldn't it be better than just to shove ourselves? Interested what your 2x range at this point is. I personally think its hard to balance (if the reg knows your game).
I think you would be absolutely right to 2x if both are fish, which make the flat a majority of the time but otherwise fold alot to openshoves.

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06-25-2012 , 06:49 PM

#1425

TomoDaK

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Originally Posted by siebenacht

If you would 2x/call for the reasons you just mentioned i would understand it.
But how can you argue, that we would fold out reshoves to which we fold anyway. Wouldn't it be better than just to shove ourselves?
This doesn't make sense. We're only even considering folding cause 2 people shoved, we are always snap calling 1 guy. My shove range here is comprised of a tiny few hands I'm r/f or r/c most everything else

Interested what your 2x range at this point is. I personally think its hard to balance (if the reg knows your game)..
I'd say I'm raising like 35-40% here or more. Don't think it's very hard to balance such a spot at all, what troubles you with it?

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