I've never tried running many tables at once. If you start running masses are there pros and cons for reads? You start getting lots of hands so good samples to adjust ranges and to ranges, but half the time to do it? Do these balance out?

HEM2 has number of blinds as a stat, but it updates a hand too late IME. Gave up on it.


You'll gather data quicker in calendar time, but it makes no difference per game. Well, maybe a tiny difference if you have multiple instances of a brand new villain in your set because you'll get data on them from multiple games whilst they're still ongoing.

Multitablers are (usually) sacrificing ROI in return for a better hourly rate. Less time to make a decision, not being able to watch every table closely so you will miss some fish patterns that might allow you to stack them before anyone else does, you might not pick up on a changed table dynamic, or how someone's range is changing, or be less aware of your table image, etc etc.

If you think you got their calling ranges wrong for a $1, correct them and see what it says. Or, better still, do the maths by hand just once so that you don't remain under the illusion that Wiz is telling you anything that you didn't already tell it.

I just plugged this in using stars 6 max (can't see a merge one) and it says push with a 0.10 edge for any calling ranges I choose. In a $1 the chance of getting called with worse aces should be pretty high I would guess too.

edit - found the merge one and same for that.

Hi,

I wanna calc my ICM in a call/fold question in a 6max DoN
based on an individual villain hand range (which Sitngo Wiz cant define)
that I concluded with pokerstove.



I have potodds of ~38% (770$ for 2010$)


SB ($1,425)
Hero ($2,110)
UTG ($1,210)
UTG+1 ($1,095)
CO ($1,220)
BTN ($1,940)

Dealt to Hero J 9

UTG raises to $1,170 (AI), fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls $770

FLOP ($2,780) T 6 T

TURN ($2,780) T 6 T 6

RIVER ($2,780) T 6 T 6 9

Hero shows J 9
(Pre 43%, Flop 28.8%, Turn 22.7%)

UTG shows 5 K
(Pre 57%, Flop 71.2%, Turn 77.3%)

Hero wins $2,780

Now I ended up calling with J9off but my beginner question is basically if there's any tool/calculation out there where I can feed an ICM calculator with a specific villain range and hero holecards and then compare start- & end-EV.

turbo stt variance question:
I have a ROI of -9.8 over my last 400 games which kind of sucks, is that like standard variance? I have beat the games before over like a 1500 game sample and I know Im playing pretty good.. but have not had 1! winning session for a whole week..

AFAIK, custom ranges are a bit tricky with these programmes.

When it's a simple two player push/call question, you can work it out yourself very easily.

You need to use a basic ICM calculator to work out your $ equity based on the sizes of all the chipstacks if:

1. You fold
2. You push/call and win
3. You push/call and lose

The pot equity you need is:

[EQ(fold) - EQ (lose)]/[EQ(win) - EQ(lose)]

If EQ(lose) is zero, this simplifies to EQ(fold)/EQ(win)

Once you know what pot equity you need, you can click out a custom range for him in pokerstove and see what hands have enough equity against that range.

Thanks ymu.

Those kind of calculations are pretty interesting for close spots
3handed,4handed as well (e.g. on the bubble of 6max,9max sitngos).

I have a vague idea that calcs for these situations multiply per each additional player.
Do you know about a thread,article or possibly an equation that adresses this?

The links sticky has some astoundingly good threads on this.

As you say, the calculations branch out for the multiple possibilities of who calls, with which range, and who might overcall. Thats why programs like SNGWiz, ICMizer and SNG Solver are so useful - they will do that for you. But you will lose some flexibility on setting ranges (I think in most instances they work on percentages, ranked in a slightly different way to pokerstove's rankings).

You need to get the right % call range in these programmes because that determines your fold equity for a push. If you feel like the range itself is just not accurate enough to give the right pot equity, you could probably fudge it a bit by checking out how the two ranges compare in pokerstove (eg custom vs % from Wiz) and adjusting your edge to compensate.

I'm a really bad person to ask about these softwarez though, I don't use them that much. I'm the kind of sicko who likes doing it by hand. I'm not sure it would make a massive difference in most cases, because it is so rare that we can be that precise about a range anyway. But if villain has a serious thing about suitedness or something, then it could make a big difference, I guess. Play with pokerstove and find out.

Is it good idea to use nash calculator ranges readless for push/fold, call/fold for ps 235fpp sunday storm satallites?

Its pretty much always a bad idea to disregard table-dynamics and individual statistics. Nash-ranges may be a good starting-point, if you know when/how to deviate.

I mean if you are going to play so many tables that you couldn't use reads and statistics anyway its not a bad idea, even though im calling way tighter and pushing a bit wider than nash.

I know. I am talking about situations when you just sit down and are readles at least one orbit or more.
I suspected that calling ranges will be too wide vs avarage villain pushing range.

What you call standart readles first hands?
Villain openshove from:
UTG -
UTG+1 -
CO -
Button -
SB -

Just need some starting point.

where did you get this spreadsheet? is it in sng wizard, if so what do i click on to access it?

So I am mainly a LHE player and am in the micro LHE forum frequently. I am trying to get more into tournaments but I often find myself in tricky situations. Here is one; I will write out my thought process and maybe some regs can point out an area where my thinking is fuzzy or flawed.


Villain is 28/8 over 25. No notes.


Merge - $5+$0.50|<> NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

CO: 1,862.00
BTN: 1,228.00
Hero (SB): 1,490.00
BB: 1,965.00
UTG: 2,885.00
UTG+1: 816.00
MP: 1,970.00
MP+1: 1,284.00

Hero posts SB 25.00, BB posts BB 50.00

Pre Flop: (75.00) Hero has A K

fold, fold, fold, fold, CO raises to 150.00, fold, Hero raises to 400.00, fold, CO calls 250.00


3! feels right to me but I see some arguments against it:

• We are out of position
• Early(ish) in the tournament
• A 3! commits 1/3 of my stack pre-flop. A cbet on the flop puts another 1/3 of my stack in the pot.

Flop: (850.00, 2 players) 8 J Q
Hero bets 450.00, CO calls 450.00


Standard cbet. Villain simply flat calls.


Turn: (1750.00, 2 players) 6
...

Are we done after villain shows interest on the flop?

IGT (Entraction) anouced a few days ago that they have reduced the rake to 5% accross the board for SNGs, I was wondering if anyone knows what traffic is like there?

Hi guys, I'm now playing 6max turbo sngs on stars, I have question about HM2 $EV stat, does it work properly? I won about 800$ but $EV is -350$.
does my stats mean that I'm losing player, but running hot?


and another question: are 30$ 6max turbos much harder to beat on PS than 15$s?

Where is the best place to play DoN SnGs?

I'm new to texas hold'em. I have been through 12 books on it with 4 for SNGs and MTT including Tournament Poker for Advanced Players: Expanded Edition by David Sklansky, Sit ’n Go Strategy; Expert Advice for Beating One-Table Poker Tournaments by Collin Moshman, and The Poker Tournament Formula by Arnold Snyder.

Originally I thought books on SNG and MTT tournaments were not interchangable. The PokerStars online school's SNG course uses 'Let's Play Poker' by Lee Nelson. Their course material for MTT tournaments refers to their SNG course. So excluding the difference of playing passive in the post bubble phase for SNGs and agressive for MTTs are the SNG and MTT books interchangable?

Has anyone used and compaired results for the preflop strategies in the Moshman, Nelson, Sklansky, and Snyder books for a tournament structure with a chip stack of 20 to 40 xBB, 25/50 initial blinds, and blind increments of 6 minutes for online and 12 minutes for brick and mortar play?

Generally mixing mtt low blind strategy with 9m sng strategy is not a good idea. Basically chips you win are worth less than their chip value and chips lost are worth more. You will not go wrong playing a tight mtt like game at low blinds, but there are significant differences. So for example, when you setmine, doubling up is only really worth 2x your stack, so you do not have quite as much implied odds.

2 table+ sngs are the same as mtts until you get close to the money.

I really dont suggest following any books exact strategy. Learn to play a way you feel comfortable. Do lots of math on spots and learn the correct plays yourself. I can think of a few examples in SNG strat by moshman that I consider bad (for example limping AQ low blinds etc).

You have done lots of reading and that is great. Now try to solve the problems yourself and apply your knowledge.

Sorry, I really meant starting hands instead of preflop strategies. Nelson uses an eight group like Sklansky does for pocket cards in his expanded 21st century edition, but Sklansky uses 5 groups in his tournament advanced book. Burton uses an arrow chart, others group by characteristics like pairs and suited connectors, and so on.

Would the eight group Nelson/Sklansky starting hand chart be the one to commit to memory?

Just raise as many hands as you feel comfortable. Play just strong hands at first, depending on your position. Mostly just raise. Seeing a flop with Q8s is not great, so just raise with stronger hands. Post hands etc is going to be the best way to figure this kinda stuff out.

quick linecheck pls:

i miss so much value lately

10man $22

villain is 29/7/agg1.7/3bet 0

bet flop?
bet turn?
bet riv?

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $20(BB) Replayer
SB ($1,500)
BB ($1,500)
UTG ($1,500)
UTG+1 ($1,500)
UTG+2 ($1,500)
MP1 ($1,500)
MP2 ($1,500)
MP3 ($1,500)
Hero ($1,500)
BTN ($1,500)

Dealt to Hero Q A

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, MP3 calls $20, Hero raises to $100, fold, fold, fold, MP3 calls $80

FLOP ($230) K J 3

MP3 checks, Hero bets $150, MP3 calls $150

TURN ($530) K J 3 Q

MP3 checks, Hero checks

RIVER ($530) K J 3 Q K

MP3 checks

Less flop, I'd go 110-120, b ut you could bet 100 even and have the same result vs most villains. Admittedly some guys will c/c their 77 if you bet kinda weakly, but those are the minority.

Some guys are just so ****in passive, but you gotta bet the river imo. Just bet small 160-180 hope he has AJ/JTs/QT etc

I like 100 pre from early position, but 80 from late pos. Something to think aboot! Here it's not so bad if we make it cheap and let someone call out of the blinds

thx tomo!
(obv i knew he had a J and i missed value...again)

Hey,

this is the first hand I ever posted on here.

I have no stats on this guy, but he just won a big hand and I suspected him to raise me with any two cards.

Do you think this is an acceptable move?