play some 10s see how you do, if you crush and you find them easy then you're off to the races, if not you have plenty for 5s.

With an ROI of under 7% over 300 games, I think it's better to stay at the $5.50s for another 200 games and see how you do. Even if you are capable of beating the $11s, with a fairly low ROI there's a good chance that variance will kick you in the nuts.

hi im sure this has been asked before but i couldnt find a thread...
Im planning to buy either one of these (sngpt sngegt sngwiz) whats the best and why.. do any of these provide realtime help while playing ??

everyone here recommends sngwiz, no experience myself, ive only used sngegt. none of them are allowed to be running whilst playing so no advantage realtime, but they improve your game as you review your sessions and improve that way.

when u say allowed to be running u mean by the pokersites right..
because im sure other than stars and tilt networks like ongame ipoker maybe even party dont care.

yes im referring to the pokersites.

so you cant run them simultaneously with each other basically. in regards to sites, its best to check out their list of banned/safe 3rd party software. i know that full tilt and pokerstars ban all these "types" of programs.

It is against every sites TOS to use ICM Tools while playing and on most sites even while you are just running their client. For example SNGWiz closes itself when it detects that Stars or FTP are running. For good reason.
Last month someone in the Zoo (forum 'Internet Poker') got banned by FTP because he used SNGEGT while the FTP client was running. They reduced it to a warning a week later, but you get my point.

Any ICM Real-Time Help is against the TOS of every site.

And fwiw, get SNGWiz.

err, why should that be? You can run SNGEGT, SNGPT and SNGWiz at the same time. Unless i've misunderstood your statement.

Hi =), I've recently started playing $13 6 max sng's again, I deposited $460 to Stars on the 12th and I'm up to $660.

My BR question is this, for $660 should I still carry on playing $13 sng's or try my hand on a few $25's at Stars, whats the general rule of thumb when it comes to 6 max sng's? Is 5% of my bankroll decent since i multitable 2 to 4 at a time.

My next questin is about variance, I've only played a relatively small amount of games for me to draw any conclusion upon, how ever here are my stats so far...

ITM: 50%
Games played: 32
Avg profit: 6.35

I'm either on a serious upswing and im awaiting the doom switch, or im playing pretty good, but what I would like to know is after how many games should i be making any conclusions on whether I'm a winning player, or a losing one.

Also a little note on my playing style FWIW, I'm extremely tight (atleast for a 6 handed game) when blinds are low, I find that there are a lot of donks that will push with anything early in the game, and if I grab a really good premium hand I obviously call. Mid stages I start to loosen up, I will steal blinds from the button or UTG, depends on how tight the table is, and if I'm the large stack, I'll really tighten up then especially if there is only 3 people left, last thing i want to do is double up an opponent... if im the short stack I will push with mediocre hands, any ace would do, any pocket pair would do... since blinds are already around 50/100 by that time so I'll just be bleeding chips.

Regarding Bankroll:

Not sure if 6max is much different variance wise compared to 9 max, but for $25 tournies in 9 max that bankroll is about 1/3 what you should want.

Build up to 1200 or more, and if you are still crushing it, consider trying moving up, but be ready to drop down quickly to preserve your bankroll.

Is there any easy way to import tournament summaries for 6max sngs in pokertracker 3?

Still using PT2 and Pahud for that reason. But they stopped the support for these.

Yeah, on the pokerstars lobby (the place your at when you first login), then press CTRL + I, a new window will pop up and at the bottom of that pop up window there will be an options button, click that, and save hand histories to your hard drive, you can then use PT3 to use the hand histories located inside that folder.

There is/ was not a problem importing tournaments in general. The problem is importing the summaries of the tournaments, that you get your roi, the finishing positions...
Therefore PT2 had the option to import this stuff from tournament summary-emails you can request from pokerstars.

#1: How much of a bankroll you need to play 6 max games depends on what type of player you are. If this were your primary income at least 100 buy ins, if you are a recreational player probably 50 buy ins, and if you just have lots of money wanting to be deposited soon and aren't scared to do so then obviously you can move up even quicker.

# 2: Your on an upswing. You will not be able to maintain this ROI over a sufficient sample. Take a look at the $13 6 max normal speed Sharkscope top 20 list (normals generally have a better ROI than turbos) and you'll see 30% is being done by one player and 20-25% by a handful and 10-15% by much more.

I think it's more than okay to take shots at higher buy in levels with good table selection. I'd google jhub3000's posts about table selection as it relates to 6 max games. Very important topic, and something many of these low stake regs do not understand or idiotically they are too arrogant to care.

I'll show you how to do this in chips but of course in an STT you must figure this with dollar equities.

The pot before he shoves is 400.
His remaining stack is 400.
You have 2K remaining.

Times you win you have 2800 chips (your stack + pot + his remaining chips).
Times you lose you have 1.6K chips (your stack - his remaining chips).

Let's say you are precisely 2/1 to win. So you have 33% equity in the hand (to figure this out, add one to your odds against and divide this into 100).

Your equity then is .33 x 2800 + .66 x 1600 = ~2000


which is (chance you win x outcome when you win) + (chance you lose x outcome when you lose).

So it's breakeven in chips, but will be -EV in dollars.

No offence, but you probably have a lot bigger flaws than you think. That's one of the first lessons in poker: most of us are much worse than we think we are.

Begin by playing four tables tiled so you can watch the action. You'll improve more for it. There's no reason to stack five at all.

You must play AK preflop early. If you get two callers on a bad flop or three on just about any flop that you miss, just give up. No one is observing your play btw, so it doesn't matter how "fishy" you look.

Don't limp AK.

Start raising AK again. Post examples of hands where you felt lost after the flop.

Your stats are appropriately nitty, but I'd expect to see something like 8/5. You are probably raising small pairs a bit too often.

On the whole this isn't unreasonable.

Dude, nothing is exploitable unless someone can exploit it.

You won't lose much if you checkfold underpairs to an ace on an A high board against three callers. When out of position, checking and seeing what happens is fine.

Make sure though that if you feel you get called a lot by Ax, you raise AK! Do you see? Those same guys will hand you their stacks on A high boards. But they can't do that if you've folded AK preflop

Again, post examples of hands where you had this happen.

There is a lot to learn!

I'd get a bigger bankroll first. You can fairly easily have a 20BI downswing, especially if you're a bit marginal, and that's going to wipe out nearly all of your gains.

Don't add more tables either. Focus on getting better and look to increase tables once you can beat the 11s comfortably.

Fellow Sng'rs

Lately experiencing some variance. I'm usually at the low limit games. I have over 1000 games at the 12$ Sng 6max turbo's and doing alright there roi 11%. Trying to move up limits but at the 24$ games I seem to B/E. I don't know why, I still pick out the bad players and yet I seem to always get out drawn(it's almost like at this level there's a lot more variance- I'm losing to guys who are down 3000games -12000$ in losses.. so strange). but at 400 games and 44$ in profit I doubt that it's luck because I do much better at the 12$ games. I usually play a TAG game. It's little frustrating.

I have sng whiz, I think i have an overall decent understanding of push/shove situations.

What could I be missing?

Appreciate some help

1000 game sample is nothing, 400 games is less than nothing. Play 5k games and then you'll have a decent picture of what your true ROI is.

Post hands you have questions on and people can help you out. Even if those sample sizes you gave were significant, people cant just look at them and tell you what issues you need to work on.

yea, sorry about that, my post wasnt very clear, but was referring to running the icm software (sngwiz, sngegt, sngpt, etc..) at the same time as the poker site (eg, pokerstars, full tilt, etc...)

I get that 400 hands is not a big enough sample size however it should give you a general consensus as to where you're headed. I'll be up 600 then get drive back down to 0. I've compared some results with some of the good players, the graph should be best fit line bottom left to top right.

I feel that no matter how much I win, it'll get eventually drive back down to 0. Just thought someone mite have insight in that or it's just how variance is.

No it shouldn't. Most winning players will have 400+ breakeven stretches, Look back over your graph after several thousand games or sharkscope someone decent at your level with volume.

looking at the leaks in tourney reports in hem, useful or not for assessing where/how I'm losing chips?

oh thanks!
Just gonna grind out a couple more games then =)

There are much better places to look for leaks than hem reports. I'd say they are a last resort. They are much more applicable to cash game play. They'll only tell you the symptoms rather than the root causes. You'll also need mammoth samples before they are going to have any statistical relevance.

The best way to look for leaks is generally in sng wiz, and then pull out hands you are not sure about and post them here.

Another great way to find leaks is to make a video and post it in the Official STTF Video Thread, and hopefully you'll get some kind good regs disect your vid for you. Vers did this for me a few years back and it really helped.

Thanks a bunch, njd77. I'll look into those. I should start the sngwiz trial prob. is it difficult to use?

Welcome to the forum, posting rules still apply(don't post results) & you can leave out the F, T, and R when it's unnecessary. Please read the OP(original post) & read the FAQ at the top of the forum.

You have SNGWiz on Chip Equity mode, change that.

Hi, i've been browsing the 'results' threads to see who's making what. Alot of people have stats like ' won $800, and $200 in bonuses and fpp's and stellar rewards'

i'm currently playing $3's on PS and wondering in order to qualify for fpp bonuses and stellar rewards etc do I have to sign up to anything or click anything or do anything, or how are these redeemable. thanks.