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Old 11-26-2010, 02:09 PM   #676
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Re: ****Official Beginner/Basic Question Thread****

you are totally right. its good to play each other to learn from each other, but as you said only to a certain degree.

the question is if it is collusion/cheating/whatever to ask someone if he can avoid my games in the future.
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Old 11-26-2010, 03:02 PM   #677
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Re: ****Official Beginner/Basic Question Thread****

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you are totally right. its good to play each other to learn from each other, but as you said only to a certain degree.

the question is if it is collusion/cheating/whatever to ask someone if he can avoid my games in the future.
no, it is not collusion.
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Old 11-26-2010, 05:33 PM   #678
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Re: 93o > T3o in Kill Everyone?

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Here is a quote about the ranking method:


So essentially I think Streib went through and counted how often hand X would get shoved before hand Y for each shover in the equilibrium tables in appendix 1. The problem is that although 93o>T3o may be true for most MP/EP shoves for those equilibrium calling solutions (since you are most often called by tight ranges), in reality you are never actually going to be shoving trash hands from EP ~10bbs deep and so it makes the rankings completely unrealistic.

Even though they were attempting to come up with a generalized set of hand rankings, like all hand-ranking systems the one in Kill Everyone is only correct under certain circumstances (determined by the ranking method). In this case those circumstances don't really match well with real circumstances in a sng imo.

I don't think there is any hand-ranking method I would actually recommend for pushing ranges for sngs. You really have to understand how hand rankings are dynamic and change depending on the situation. That's only something you get a good feel for after reviewing/analyzing a ton of hands.
Thanks for the explanation, but how running into tighter ranges can explain that T5s > Q5s but T5o < Q5o, and 92o > T2o but 92s < T2s?

Complete list of errors:
T5s > J5s
T5s > Q5s
94o > T4o
93o > T3o
92o > T2o

Edit: the list is not complete, there are more such cases like T5s > J4s but T5o < J4o. I don't get it.

Last edited by fievel; 11-26-2010 at 05:41 PM. Reason: more errors imo
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Old 11-26-2010, 08:33 PM   #679
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Re: ****Official Beginner/Basic Question Thread****

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Apologies if this is redundant.

I've decided to switch back to SNGs from cash because I feel they are much easier to grind at high volume, particularly at the lower stakes.

I currently play 3.40 10 man turbos on stars at around 15 tables at the time, continuous. I currently have a 6% roi over 2k games, though my EV line is around 5.5%. The FAQ says that 13% is attainable for good players at these stakes, but it's two years old and doesn't say anything about multi tabling. Is my current ROI decent while 15 tabling? I also feel like I can up the volume to 20+ games comfortably with my style.

If my ROI is indeed low (assuming it's at my true ROI and I'm at my EV, which I realize is most likely not the case after 2k games), what are the major leaks I should focus on? Do I need to master my ICM calcs? Or do I need to focus more on playing certain villains more effectively? I haven't been taking notes or paying attention much to played out hands because the player pool is so large at these stakes.

One more question...what do I make of my red line in SNGs? It's not very important in cash games...but should I pay attention to it in SNGs?

You play too many tables actually to improve anything but your understanding of push/fold. If you won't cut tables, work hard with Wiz to improve your p/f game.

The redline is incredibly overrated in discussions of STTs. There are some decent reasons to believe any good player will run "below EV" in STTs and I wouldn't read too much into it. Post hands in this forum, review your games, think about what you were trying to do with each bet and whether you succeeded.


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is it ok to ask other players that are winning players to not join my sngs?

i dont want to collude or cheat, thats why i ask.

it doesnt seem like collusion but im not 100% sure. if i see a guy with 5% roi and he keeps adding into games where im allready in... well it destroys his and my roi a little bit.
It's okay but gl with that. I find most regs simply don't care and in some cases they do it on purpose for various reasons.
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Old 11-26-2010, 08:36 PM   #680
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well the thing is.
regs not playing regs destroyed nl hu. in some degree it is healthy to play each other.
This is so wrong I hardly know where to begin with it. Even a breakeven reg is taking money off the table and you don't want that, no matter what marginal gain you think you can make from it.
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Old 11-29-2010, 05:43 AM   #681
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Re: ****Official Beginner/Basic Question Thread****

ipokers new 4 man super turbo dons (well think they are new) did some searches on here and general web searches, can't find anything wrote about them. Anyone know of any discusions or articles about them?
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Old 12-01-2010, 12:04 PM   #682
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Re: ****Official Beginner/Basic Question Thread****

on the regs gonna reg issue. I always do my best to stay away from any multitabling reg unless ive made a note previously about their play and I know they are exploitable. Unless you have a read like that, and they have a positive ROI, staying away is definitely +EV as they are indeed taking money off the table...

I do agree that the NLHU games were killed for the reason that regs wouldnt play eachother. I dont think SnG's will get to that point though... I rue the day that I open the lobby and there are 100 SnG's registering with 1/9 reg'd. Then, we know, theyre dead.

Ive never politely asked them not to reg in my games. Most of em dont read chat anyway, or have time to reply, or really have any concern for anyone but themselves for that matter... it just seems like a plea thats gonna fall on deaf ears. I just take notice when my games are regging if I see a reg I dont want at my table, ill unreg and go to the next one
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Old 12-01-2010, 03:20 PM   #683
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Re: ****Official Beginner/Basic Question Thread****

Kind of lost my way a bit recently in the 6max turbos. I've went on like a 500 game break even stretch from pretty much having a decent roi over a few thousand games. I'm running below my redline but not majorly and have recovered from a 30bi dowswing recently.

However, again i'm not really going anywhere fast and have started questioning my game. I don't know if this is just down to the distrubution of the cards as i know its possible or weather something has changed in my game. There are far to many 4th and 3rd places of recent.

Kind of need a guide to look at ranges once again from certain positions, particularly the button while 3 handed.
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Old 12-01-2010, 04:23 PM   #684
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Kind of need a guide to look at ranges once again from certain positions, particularly the button while 3 handed.
SnG Wiz Quiz - filter it to 3 people, minimum blinds 100/200 or something. Make sure you turn on "Review after each answer" instead of the "review incorrect" answers... Then go back and play with opponents different open/shoving/calling ranges... I usually do something like this before every session for about 15 minutes to get in the right mindset...

After that id take your HM DB and filter it to specific situations, such as 3 handed like you said... and see how youve been playing
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Old 12-04-2010, 02:47 AM   #685
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Re: ****Official Beginner/Basic Question Thread****

recently downloaded tableninjaFT. its my first hotkey tool and i need some advice on pre-defined betsizes for fulltilt STTs.

im not sure if i should ask this here, make a new thread in this forum or go to another subforum for this!

its about standard-betsizes postflop. standard is now set to 50% of pot. i also got one key for 35% when i want it smaller and i got 75% when i want it bigger. before using a hotkey tool i was scrolling the mousewheel in SB increases until i felt this bet is fine.

once again im not sure if its better to create an own thread in this forum/another forum!
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Old 12-05-2010, 01:43 PM   #686
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Re: ****Official Beginner/Basic Question Thread****

I keep trynig to find a place to put these questions, I hope this is the right thread.

I am starting to have some success at $6 HUSNG and I was hoping to start finding myself in the Low Limit HUSNG Leaderboard on FTP. I sharkscoped the top two, and both are losers, even recently.

1. How do I get to the top of these leaderboards?

2. Is there a way to make my FTP ID a default on sharkscope, so I don't have to use searches Ive purchased to look at my own stats?
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Old 12-05-2010, 06:43 PM   #687
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Re: ****Official Beginner/Basic Question Thread****

Basic Question here!!!


Bubble on a 9max sng,

bl: 150/300

Co (1100) : push
Button (5000) : call
BB (1300): overcalling the rest 1000
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Result: Button wins.

Who gets paid 3rd place?


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Old 12-05-2010, 07:45 PM   #688
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Re: ****Official Beginner/Basic Question Thread****

Do you know what, I was about to answer that but now I'm not completely sure. I feel fairly certain that BB finishes 2nd even though he has 300 in the BB, hopefully someone can say for definite.
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Old 12-05-2010, 08:59 PM   #689
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Re: ****Official Beginner/Basic Question Thread****

if all 3 are allin and the bigstack takes out both shorter stacks, the chipstacks before the allin matters. you had more then CO so you finish 2nd and CO 3rd
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Old 12-05-2010, 09:13 PM   #690
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Re: ****Official Beginner/Basic Question Thread****

Does anyone know any good threads or articles on 13-20BB bvb strat. I know Jurass did one on the limp/steal. Anyone else have any suggestions.
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Old 12-06-2010, 03:11 PM   #691
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Re3el_Pr1de i think these leaderboards are build up on volume you play and its worth nothing to be 1st there
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Old 12-07-2010, 06:06 PM   #692
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if all 3 are allin and the bigstack takes out both shorter stacks, the chipstacks before the allin matters. you had more then CO so you finish 2nd and CO 3rd
chips before allin: CO (1100) > BB (1000)

chips before blinds : BB (1300) > CO (1100)


I too have the feeling that stack before blinds matter, as they can be considered as normal bets, but Im not 100% sure.

I think one time this happened to me on the BB it had me finish under the CO, but maybe it was just my imagination... Please someone clarify this.

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Old 12-07-2010, 08:05 PM   #693
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Does anyone know any good threads or articles on 13-20BB bvb strat. I know Jurass did one on the limp/steal. Anyone else have any suggestions.
I'm guessing you have probably already read it, but the Slim Pickens one?
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Old 12-08-2010, 02:43 AM   #694
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chips before allin: CO (1100) > BB (1000)

chips before blinds : BB (1300) > CO (1100)


I too have the feeling that stack before blinds matter, as they can be considered as normal bets, but Im not 100% sure.

I think one time this happened to me on the BB it had me finish under the CO, but maybe it was just my imagination... Please someone clarify this.

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The BB has the bigger stack before the hand. Remember, the blinds are forced bets just like any other bet and we raise those bets. So the BB wins this one.
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Old 12-08-2010, 11:29 PM   #695
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Hey guys

My main game is 4.40/180 with non turbo structure.However my late game sucks a lot.What you recomend?Is Sit N Go Power Tools better soft to train instead of Sit N Go Wizzard or its enough to have basic push/fold charts?thank you
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Old 12-09-2010, 04:41 AM   #696
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Re: ****Official Beginner/Basic Question Thread****

If you're serious about improving buy yourself SnG WiZ, a p/f chart doesn't cut it.

I think SNGEGT is free if you google it tho it's functionality is rather limited

Edit: http://code.google.com/p/sngegt/ It's free and the author open sourced it so it has a few updates as well!
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Old 12-09-2010, 10:14 AM   #697
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If you're serious about improving buy yourself SnG WiZ, a p/f chart doesn't cut it.

I think SNGEGT is free if you google it tho it's functionality is rather limited

Edit: http://code.google.com/p/sngegt/ It's free and the author open sourced it so it has a few updates as well!
is the sngegt similar to sngwiz but free?
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Old 12-09-2010, 05:56 PM   #698
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sngwiz can do more complex situations. But the basics is the same. If your just starting out you should check sngegt out and def. visit sngwiz.com for more info of the program.
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Old 12-09-2010, 09:54 PM   #699
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Thx for the link IFP1s. Really helpful.
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Re: ****Official Beginner/Basic Question Thread****

Two hands they both took me by serprise as to the payouts. Just checking here.

-Hand 1 does the Q:club win the day?-----------------------------

Full Tilt Poker $1 + $0.20 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t20/t40 Blinds - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

Hero (BB): t1450 36.25 BBs
UTG: t1900 47.50 BBs
UTG+1: t1730 43.25 BBs
UTG+2: t1455 36.38 BBs
MP1: t1500 37.50 BBs
MP2: t1985 49.62 BBs
CO: t1450 36.25 BBs
BTN: t750 18.75 BBs
SB: t1280 32 BBs

Pre Flop: (t60) Hero is BB with T 3
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t40, 4 folds, BTN calls t40, SB calls t20, Hero checks

Flop: (t160) 4 T 3 (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t100, UTG+1 folds, BTN raises to t710 all in, SB folds, Hero calls t610

Turn: (t1580) 8 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t1580) 4 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: t1580
Hero shows T 3 (two pair, Tens and Fours)
BTN shows T Q (two pair, Tens and Fours)
BTN wins t1580

---Hand2- Does A6 beat the 22's-----------------------------


Hand #2
Full Tilt Poker $1 + $0.20 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t40/t80 Blinds - 8 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

Hero (MP1): t1000 12.50 BBs
MP2: t2245 28.06 BBs
CO: t1940 24.25 BBs
BTN: t1290 16.12 BBs
SB: t1625 20.31 BBs
BB: t2115 26.44 BBs
UTG: t825 10.31 BBs
UTG+1: t2460 30.75 BBs

Pre Flop: (t120) Hero is MP1 with 3 Q
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t80, 2 folds, CO calls t80, 1 fold, SB calls t40, BB checks

Flop: (t320) 4 K 4 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, CO checks

Turn: (t320) K (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, CO checks

River: (t320) Q (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 bets t80, CO folds, SB folds, BB calls t80

Final Pot: t480
BB shows A 6 (two pair, Kings and Fours)
UTG+1 shows 2 2 (two pair, Kings and Fours)
BB wins t480
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