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Old 06-05-2010, 09:13 AM   #276
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Re: ****Official Beginner/Basic Question Thread****

jojojojo, 10-30% should still be possible at these stakes. Perhaps even more, but most good players play higher to get a higher hourly rate.
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Old 06-06-2010, 07:27 AM   #277
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Re: ****Official Beginner/Basic Question Thread****

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First post so soz if I stuff up something...
Admittedly my pre raise with KJs was bad but following that, should I have called all in with the draw that I had?
(I also reckon his push was terrible but I guess it's a KO?)

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UTG: t270 M = 6
UTG+1: t2270 M = 50.44
MP1: t2900 M = 64.44
MP2: t1470 M = 32.67
CO: t2600 M = 57.78
BTN: t1250 M = 27.78
Hero (SB): t1400 M = 31.11
BB: t1340 M = 29.78

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is SB with K J
UTG calls t30, 1 fold, MP1 calls t30, MP2 calls t30, CO calls t30, BTN calls t30, Hero raises to t180, BB calls t150, 1 fold, MP1 calls t150, MP2 calls t150, CO calls t150, BTN calls t150

Flop: (t1110) 2 9 6 (6 players)
Hero checks, BB bets t300, MP1 raises to t2720 all in, MP2 folds, CO folds, BTN folds, Hero calls t1220 all in, BB folds

Turn: (t3850) 4 (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: (t3850) 4 (2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: t3850
MP1 shows 9 8 (two pair, Nines and Fours)
Hero shows K J (a pair of Fours)
MP1 wins t3850
You realised it by yourself, but I need to tell you this one more time so you never ever ever ever do this again. DO NOT RAISE THIS PRE!!! Seriously you create a big multiway pot oop with KJs thats really really bad.

As played flop is fine.

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i started to play the 18man 2,2$ turbo stt on fulltilt. i wondered what roi is realistic on the long run?
sry for my english. hope you can understand it!
thanks
jo
Kind of a stupid question as you should be interrested in what you can make not what theoretical is possible. Id say that even 40-50% could be possible but if you were able to do that you shouldnt be playing the 2$ at all.
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Old 06-06-2010, 11:43 AM   #278
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Re: ****Official Beginner/Basic Question Thread****

is 50 buy in enough to play sng 10max in micro stages? i play like 60%non turbo and 40%turbo tournament.
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Old 06-07-2010, 01:06 AM   #279
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Re: ****Official Beginner/Basic Question Thread****

Hello, what is a reasonable ROI in the 16s and is it still possible to make 100$+ there
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Old 06-07-2010, 05:34 AM   #280
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Best games to play with 60 bucks.

I know the 1.20 have a sick rake so I don't want to play that. Is there any other sng you can play that have reasonable players and good format? I was thinking the 2.20 turbos 180 with 27 buyins but im not sure. What are your guys thought?
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Old 06-07-2010, 05:37 AM   #281
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Re: Best games to play with 60 bucks.

180s are gonna have a ton of variance. How many tables do you play at once. You're underrolled for both the 6man 3.25s and 9man 3.40s, but Id prob go with one of those.
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Old 06-07-2010, 05:40 AM   #282
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Re: Best games to play with 60 bucks.

3.25 6 of 3.40 9 i guess, 180 is alot of variance i agree so better wait with them and 3.25 and 3.40 you should beat i think.
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Old 06-07-2010, 06:14 AM   #283
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Re: Best games to play with 60 bucks.

Usally play 4 tables to observe people's moves. I'm trying the 1.10 turbo 45 mans.
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Old 06-07-2010, 06:27 AM   #284
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Re: Best games to play with 60 bucks.

Didnt know about those. Sounds perfect. gl
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Old 06-07-2010, 06:27 AM   #285
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Re: Best games to play with 60 bucks.

2 table the $5.5 9man sitngos. Play is so bad here that you will never lose 10 straight buy ins
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Old 06-07-2010, 07:26 AM   #286
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Re: Best games to play with 60 bucks.

U ever heard of variance trances. You can be a winning player and go on 50BI downswings.
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Old 06-07-2010, 07:46 AM   #287
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U ever heard of variance trances. You can be a winning player and go on 50BI downswings.
I think it's pathetic to invest 60 bucks and not to redeposit, if you are going broke. I would at least have in the lowest stakes a tad more aggressive BR-management, so that moving up doesn't need a year or so.

I mean seriously, you guys are working for $2 per hour. Single-table, then two-table, then 4table, adapt the number of tables to your BR-management... way way better than starting out at $1 level and playing 10+ tables there.

But that's just my opinion. You don't have to take chances of course.
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Old 06-07-2010, 07:54 AM   #288
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Re: Best games to play with 60 bucks.

my choice would be the 2$ DoN´s on Cake...
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Old 06-07-2010, 08:34 AM   #289
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I think it's pathetic to invest 60 bucks and not to redeposit, if you are going broke. I would at least have in the lowest stakes a tad more aggressive BR-management, so that moving up doesn't need a year or so.

I mean seriously, you guys are working for $2 per hour. Single-table, then two-table, then 4table, adapt the number of tables to your BR-management... way way better than starting out at $1 level and playing 10+ tables there.

But that's just my opinion. You don't have to take chances of course.
Pretty sure OP isnt doing this as a job. I disagree with what you say though. If you are just going for pure hourly, getting to where you can play 20-30 tables at a time is just as important as your pure game.

Regardless. Bringing 10 BIs to 9mans is pure suicide if youre trying to play within your roll. OP I would figure out now what format you want to specialize in (HU, 6man, 9man, 45 man etc) and then find the lowest level of that and work on your game and max out the number of table you can play.
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Old 06-07-2010, 08:55 AM   #290
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Re: Best games to play with 60 bucks.

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I know the 1.20 have a sick rake so I don't want to play that. Is there any other sng you can play that have reasonable players and good format? I was thinking the 2.20 turbos 180 with 27 buyins but im not sure. What are your guys thought?
Nowhere near enough for the 2/180s. I recently switched to them, 27BIs is not even close to sufficient. I'd suggest a roll of at least $220 for playing those seriously if you can't re-deposit.

If you're on Stars and don't fancy the $1.20 9mans then probably the only other thing you are rolled for is either the $1.75/18 mans, or you mght be able to risk the 3.25 turbo 6max games, too, but I'd say this second one is pretty close to being risky.

For real low variance just to grind up for a bit, you could go with the 2.20 HUSNGs or the 1.10 DoNs, then you will have a better choice of games to play within a carefully managed bankroll.

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Old 06-07-2010, 09:24 AM   #291
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Re: Best games to play with 60 bucks.

Btw, i didn't thought of 180man as i wrote that. I would start out with 9man or 18man. 180man are
suicide indeed with that BR.
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Old 06-07-2010, 09:28 AM   #292
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Re: Best games to play with 60 bucks.

It all depends on what you are trying to achieve OP. Maybe you give us some information about that, otherwise you'll just get a ton of answer that are based on speculations and contain a ****load of "if"s.

Do you want to build a bankroll or play for fun?
If you lose those 60 bucks, will you call it quits?
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Old 06-07-2010, 09:47 AM   #293
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Re: Best games to play with 60 bucks.

You're pretty much not 'rolled' for anything. understand that you should either be willing to redeposit if you lose, or you should be trying to start with a bigger roll (read our FAQ at the top of the forum for more) and work hard on your game if you can't redeposit and your goal is to get better and make consistent money off of the games.

The lowest stakes obviously have the worst rake, so it seems obvious that with such a short roll, you should go for the next lowest stake, which, as has been mentioned, are the 2s. Everyone will chime in with their opinions on their favorite games or what's worked for them, but all 2 dollar games with any reasonable rake should be extremely profitable. pick one that you like, and go with it, and simply bear in mind the potential implication of playing short rolled in conjunction with your life and poker goals. For future reference, MTT structures belong in the MTT forum. 1 or 2 table SNGs stay here. good luck.
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Old 06-07-2010, 09:53 AM   #294
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Hello, what is a reasonable ROI in the 16s and is it still possible to make 100$+ there

You somehow managed to miss the FAQ again. Hint: it was one line above this thread. Keep an open mind while reading things, and make sure you read everything that is available to you. You'll always either filter out unwanted information, or have something interesting to think about. Use those eyes!!

Our FAQ: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/36...ncement63.html

Section 8 addresses your question and should be read carefully. It is highly unlikely/perhaps not possible that you can make $100/hr at the 16s. good luck.
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Old 06-08-2010, 09:57 AM   #295
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is there any guide as to how to play DoNs? i never played those and i am interested in getting into them for a while, just to see if i like them.
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Old 06-08-2010, 10:05 AM   #296
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Re: ****Official Beginner/Basic Question Thread****

If UTG 200bb deep opens and MP calls is there any reason for me not to 3bet AA in BB if I have 200bb?
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Old 06-08-2010, 10:46 AM   #297
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Sorry... i posted in the wrong thread
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Old 06-12-2010, 06:49 PM   #298
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Re: ****Official Beginner/Basic Question Thread****

I have read about early, middle, and late stage of SnGs.

But I haven't got yet when a players find himself in one of those stages.

Many thanks
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Old 06-13-2010, 07:33 PM   #299
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Was this a correct call? I had no real reads on villain and no reason to think he was out of line and not to have the typically strong hand expected from that position, but figured with my chipstack (I would be down to 160 chips after the blinds), I had a showdownable hand, needed to double up, and called.

Hand #1
Full Tilt Poker $100K SuperTurbo Step Freeroll No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t25/t50 Blinds - 7 players
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BTN: t160 M = 2.13
SB: t2010 M = 26.80
Hero (BB): t235 M = 3.13
UTG: t340 M = 4.53
UTG+1: t135 M = 1.80
MP: t810 M = 10.80
CO: t690 M = 9.20

Pre Flop: (t75) Hero is BB with 9 9
UTG raises to t340 all in, 5 folds, Hero requests TIME, Hero calls t185 all in





Also, this was the first hand of this tournament, and I figured this was a fold for 2 reasons, (1) hand strength: I could be up against a stronger hand, and (2) I could be up against multiple hands depending on the table, and I think that happens often enough to make this a fold. Any comments appreciated.

Hand #2
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SB: t300 M = 6.67
BB: t300 M = 6.67
Hero (UTG): t300 M = 6.67
UTG+1: t300 M = 6.67
MP1: t300 M = 6.67
MP2: t300 M = 6.67
CO: t300 M = 6.67
BTN: t300 M = 6.67

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is UTG with A T
Hero folds
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Old 06-13-2010, 07:37 PM   #300
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Re: ****Official Beginner/Basic Question Thread****

When Sharkscope gives a player ROI, is this inclusive of rake charged or not?

i.e. If playing 10+1 SnGs, what is your expected return per game if you have a Sharkscope ROI of 10%?

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