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Old 05-12-2010, 04:33 AM   #226
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Didn't want to make a topic for this since I'm pretty sure it's a call but I'd like some thoughts on this DoN hand. Sick stuff imo. SB=loose, guaranteed to be in for the ride.

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Hero (BTN): t475 M = 0.38
SB: t2580 M = 2.05
BB: t3210 M = 2.55
UTG: t535 M = 0.42
MP: t1215 M = 0.96
CO: t6985 M = 5.54

Pre Flop: (t1260) Hero is BTN with A A
UTG calls t475 all in, 2 folds, Hero ???
fold

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see the chance of you win 4way pot with aces or chance of UTG losing 3way against blinds. This situation seems close to me. Call or fold neither don't seem very wrong
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Old 05-12-2010, 11:02 AM   #227
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Does anyone have sng wiz and pokerstove alternatives for mac??
parallels desktop or boot camp and see how your mac start to act like a ****

it hurts, but if you wanna play some serious pokerz you gotta have windows
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Old 05-14-2010, 07:04 PM   #228
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Re: ****Official Beginner/Basic Question Thread****

Im looking for some american sites other than FTP/Stars where I can play SNG's with some regularity. It seems like its nearly impossible to 4+ table anything higher than $10 SNG's anywhere else but FTP/PS. Sometimes I don't even see a single SNG running on UB or Cake. Any advice?

When is optimal SNG time/days for UB/Cake games? Are there any SNG regs out there for those sites?

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Old 05-14-2010, 07:23 PM   #229
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Doyles room maybe. IDK FTP and Stars are all I and most people know.
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Old 05-16-2010, 05:06 PM   #230
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Re: ****Official Beginner/Basic Question Thread****

CO is 11/10/4 over 733 hands on all blinds

Poker Stars $1.00+$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t100/t200 Blinds + t25 - 4 players
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CO: t2425 M = 6.06
BTN: t3665 M = 9.16
SB: t3285 M = 8.21
Hero (BB): t4125 M = 10.31

Pre Flop: (t400) Hero is BB with 7 7
CO raises to t2400 all in

I didnt think its worth starting a new thread, thats why i put it here.
Just started to play poker again and feel kind of uncomfortable with standard decisions.

Do i call or fold here? BTN and SB both folded.
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Old 05-16-2010, 11:17 PM   #231
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Re: ****Official Beginner/Basic Question Thread****

Snap fold with your stack and the 100/200 Blinds.
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Old 05-17-2010, 09:30 PM   #232
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Re: ****Official Beginner/Basic Question Thread****

okay, somewhere in my brain theres pokerstrat saved from 3 years ago, thats forcing me to do the right thing. I wanted to call but it felt strange to do so, thats why i ended up folding it and came here to post it. thanks!

are there any "guides" that are giving me good examples of late play in stts with big stacks? i know ICM and im training it daily, but what i mean are big stacks >20bb on the bubble. say 4k on 25/50 blinds (happens from time to time).

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Old 05-17-2010, 10:03 PM   #233
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Re: ****Official Beginner/Basic Question Thread****

Alright so I've been a cash game player for about a year now, and I've decided to try and grind SnGs for the summer. You guys will be seeing me around on the forums for the next four months or so... I'm hoping to really learn and progress in that time.

At the moment I have about a 1% understanding of ICM... So I'll be overloading this thread with teh noobness.

Here's my first question...
With similar SB and BB calling ranges, SnG Wiz suggests I push 60% on the button when the situation is -

Blinds 50/100
CO (6000) Fold
Hero (1000) Push
SB (1000)
BB (1000)

Then I should push 30% OTB when -
Blinds 50/100
CO (1000) Fold
Hero (1000) Push
SB (6000)
BB (1000)

And push 13.4% OTB
Blinds 50/100
CO (1000) Fold
Hero (1000) Push
SB (1000)
BB (6000)

Why exactly does the position of the big stack affect our shove ranges so drastically here? Is it because doubling through him doesn't increase our overall EV very much? How can I best go about understanding how these stack size considerations affect ICM?

Thanks much.
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Old 05-18-2010, 02:24 PM   #234
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Why exactly does the position of the big stack affect our shove ranges so drastically here? Is it because doubling through him doesn't increase our overall EV very much? How can I best go about understanding how these stack size considerations affect ICM?

Thanks much.
You haven't mentioned what calling range you had Wiz put the other players on. Did you have them all the same in each scenario? If not, that would be making a big difference.
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Old 05-18-2010, 06:03 PM   #235
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With similar SB and BB calling ranges, SnG Wiz suggests ...
Their calling ranges are the same within 1%
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Old 05-18-2010, 09:00 PM   #236
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$5.50- I forget is A-Js a shove here?

Table was about average. My image may have been looseish.


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BB: t1635 M = 10.90
UTG: t1680 M = 11.20
Hero (UTG+1): t970 M = 6.47
MP1: t2860 M = 19.07
MP2: t2035 M = 13.57
CO: t2435 M = 16.23
BTN: t675 M = 4.50
SB: t1210 M = 8.07

Pre Flop: (t150) Hero is UTG+1 with A J
1 fold, Hero raises to t970 all in,
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Old 05-18-2010, 09:04 PM   #237
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Re: I forget is A-Js a shove here?

it's marginal...i would push AQs, but this fold.

Edit: i've put it into wiz and it looks like shove

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Old 05-18-2010, 09:21 PM   #238
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Re: I forget is A-Js a shove here?

I'd shove... but the question is why you have a "looseish" image and a small stack. You should be seen as rock tight up to this point.
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Old 05-18-2010, 11:51 PM   #239
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Re: ****Official Beginner/Basic Question Thread****

magurkin,

Shove, then get an ICM program.
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Old 05-19-2010, 12:31 AM   #240
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Re: ****Official Beginner/Basic Question Thread****

Any response to my question?
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Old 05-19-2010, 11:00 PM   #241
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Re: ****Official Beginner/Basic Question Thread****

its fun to play wsop if u have too much money and dont care if u lose, but even if u dont have money its worth it to play since ur set for life if u win
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Old 05-20-2010, 04:34 AM   #242
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Re: ****Official Beginner/Basic Question Thread****

Hi guys, I remember reading a long time ago a guide on 2p2 about when to move up stakes? I think it might be a stickied link or something, can anyone find it? Thanks
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Old 05-20-2010, 09:58 AM   #243
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Re: ****Official Beginner/Basic Question Thread****

situation: moved up from nl2 to nl10 playing 6max cash exclusively, 4-6 tabling usually. Want to dabble in SNGs for a while to get a feel for them and figure out what I enjoy more, also... the rake at 10nl is pretty draining and earning vpps is really not worth it yet so I am not losing anything from switching.
bankroll atm: $230ish
books I've read on SNGs/tourneys: HoH series, Moshman SNG book, Kill Phil, Kill Everyone
software I own: HEM
sites I play on: Stars
other info: been a member of DC and have watched various videos there as well

I prefer the idea of playing STT turbos for now as I feel my push/fold game is by far the weakest area of my game in uNL SNGs and the short time they take is nice. I can play for an hour and get some done and I usually play 1-2 hour sessions so....

Question 1: Should I play 3.25/6 max turbos or 3.40/10 man? The advantage of 3.25s is obviosly the lower rake. But I want to move up to the 6.50s when I am rolled for them and they are fullring (like the 3.40s) and I am worried the experience of 6 max SNGs doesn't translate so well. On the other hand I have barely no fullring experience in general while I have some 6max experience at least.
Question 2: How much will getting SNGWiz help me now? I don't really want to deposit any more money until I start putting in some volume* and leaving only $130 leaves my bankroll on the thin side for $3 SNGs. Can I plug away at my leaks with HEM, twoplustwo forums and my books for now or will buying SNGWiz pay back for itself?

Any advice would be helpful...

* I have a tendency to read, read, read, watch video, read, read, browse twoplustwo, read, read, watch video, procrastinate some more... so I want to force myself to play a lot before buying any new books/video site memberships etc. only thing I still consider buying is SNGWiz
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Old 05-20-2010, 02:48 PM   #244
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Re: ****Official Beginner/Basic Question Thread****

Hey ive been starting on SNG's lately and thinking about buying SNG wiz or SNGPT. I just wanted to know which one is recommended. They both do the same thing right? Its like choosing between PT3 or HEM?
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Old 05-20-2010, 10:30 PM   #245
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Re: ****Official Beginner/Basic Question Thread****

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Here's my first question...
With similar SB and BB calling ranges, SnG Wiz suggests I push 60% on the button when the situation is -

Blinds 50/100
CO (6000) Fold
Hero (1000) Push
SB (1000)
BB (1000)

Then I should push 30% OTB when -
Blinds 50/100
CO (1000) Fold
Hero (1000) Push
SB (6000)
BB (1000)

And push 13.4% OTB
Blinds 50/100
CO (1000) Fold
Hero (1000) Push
SB (1000)
BB (6000)

Why exactly does the position of the big stack affect our shove ranges so drastically here? Is it because doubling through him doesn't increase our overall EV very much? How can I best go about understanding how these stack size considerations affect ICM?

Thanks much.
Yeah doubling up through the chip leader is worth less, so if you looked the EV of shoving (EqP%) for a hand like T9o it might change from 19.78% to 19.39% to 19.24% for each of those three hands for that reason.

But there is another important thing happening - to determine the EV of folding (EqF%), wiz sets ranges for action between SB/BB after you fold. By default, they are prob set to SB shoving 22% and BB calling 16%. So 78% of the time BB is getting a walk, 18.5% of the time SB steals the BB and 3.5% of the time they get all-in. With an ICM calculator you can see (and it should make sense) how each outcome changes the value of your stack:

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walks (78%)
hand 1 = 19.26
hand 2 = 19.07
hand 3 = 19.43

steals (18.5%)
hand 1 = 19.30
hand 2 = 19.63
hand 3 = 18.90

all-ins (3.5%)
hand 1 = 25.87
hand 2 = 21.79
hand 3 = 22.61

Average EqF%
hand 1 = .78*19.26 + .185*19.30 + .035*25.87 = 19.50
hand 2 = .78*19.07 + .185*19.63 + .035*21.79 = 19.27
hand 3 = .78*19.43 + .185*18.90 + .035*22.61 = 19.44
So EqF% will be 19.50 in hand 1, 19.27 in hand 2 and 19.44 in hand 3. And since you are comparing EqP% to EqF% to make your decisions, you end up shoving a much tighter range for hand 3 compared to hand 2, etc.

But having the ranges for action between SB/BB (these are found under analysis details - hero fold) set exactly the same for all three hands is unrealistic. It's really important to manually set those ranges, especially for bubble hands.

Last edited by IFoldPktOnes; 05-20-2010 at 10:33 PM. Reason: If you have any questions bout the math it's prob better to PM me than discuss here.
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Old 05-21-2010, 02:01 AM   #246
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Re: ****Official Beginner/Basic Question Thread****

Hey 2+2

1st post here
Recently I've been trying to improve my play in turbo STTs. I have started reading Collin Moshmans book and posts about ICM/bubble. Anyways here are some situations that I currently struggle with:

Hand 1 - 40/80 level villain is unknown 14/7 (15 hands)

UTG+1: t1825 M = 15.21
UTG+2: t1470 M = 12.25
MP1: t1190 M = 9.92
MP2: t785 M = 6.54
CO: t1560 M = 13
BTN: t2060 M = 17.17
Hero (SB): t1325 M = 11.04
BB: t1925 M = 16.04
UTG: t1360 M = 11.33

Pre Flop: (t120) Hero is SB with J J
2 folds, UTG+2 raises to t200, 4 folds, Hero calls t160, BB calls t120

Flop: (t600) 2 5 3 (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG+2 bets t455, Hero raises to t1125 all in, BB folds, UTG+2 calls t670

Turn: (t2850) A (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t2850) Q (2 players - 1 is all in)

Spoiler:


PF calling seems like the only option, but with a low flop, I'm often left guessing but almost always end up getting it in w/ JJ+.

Hand 2 - 50/100 level CO is 30/0 and BTN is 5/0 ,19 hands.

MP: t2370 M = 15.80
CO: t1930 M = 12.87
BTN: t1630 M = 10.87
SB: t990 M = 6.60
BB: t2030 M = 13.53
Hero (UTG): t1510 M = 10.07
UTG+1: t3040 M = 20.27

Pre Flop: (t150) Hero is UTG with T T
Hero raises to t250, 2 folds, CO calls t250, BTN calls t250, 2 folds

Flop: (t900) 3 6 A (3 players)
Hero checks, CO checks, BTN bets t300, Hero folds, CO folds

Spoiler:


I generally don't C-bet here into 2 villains, I think they would give me credit for a Ace, but by betting I risk a lot of my stack.

Comments/suggestions

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Old 05-21-2010, 10:50 PM   #247
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I just won a sattie into a 6 man final table for a 12K prize to the ME at the WSOP in a home game. I have one out of 6 chance to go to Vegas and fulfill a long time dream. Probably be my last chance to ever go as I am about to turn 59 and time is not on my side. I am a MTT'er and not used to playing short handed or HU. Any advice on what resources are available in print to help me get ready for the final table? I have read and am rereading Colin Moshman's book Sit 'n Go Strategy. Any advice as to where else I should post this? Thanks in advance.
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Old 05-22-2010, 01:21 AM   #248
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Play a bunch of 6max online to get a feel for it, that should help you get ranges and stuff down
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Old 05-22-2010, 01:26 AM   #249
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I guess I'd post this in begginers questions forum and/or books and publications? Not sure, but the suggestions of playing a lot online to get a feel for shorthanded ranges/adjustments and stuff probably isn't a bad idea. Perhaps you can inquire in coaching advice also if you want to go the way of paying with time for someone or visiting an instructional site. gl!
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I just won a sattie into a 6 man final table for a 12K prize to the ME at the WSOP in a home game. I have one out of 6 chance to go to Vegas and fulfill a long time dream. Probably be my last chance to ever go as I am about to turn 59 and time is not on my side. I am a MTT'er and not used to playing short handed or HU. Any advice on what resources are available in print to help me get ready for the final table? I have read and am rereading Colin Moshman's book Sit 'n Go Strategy. Any advice as to where else I should post this? Thanks in advance.
If it's winner-take-all, playing 6m SnGs is probably not going to help that much since chips=dollars directly. You might play some 6m cash instead.
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