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11-16-2010 , 07:32 PM
Like raising ATs OTB during the first level.

PIPCHIP Are you saying you fold Ace ****ing ten suited on the button at 10/20 in a 9m? Folding ATs is beyond nitty, it's bad/silly and losing lota of value. Don't mean to sound mad/rude but that just freaks me out that someone would fold that :O

Marl: Definitely! The 6m bubble is different, opponents tendencies are more important, and you can open your raise rangeespecially on CO/BTN as well as flatting ranges to some extent

PJAY: Don't bet so big on river, what do you expect him to call that big ass bet with? As played fold cause he's gonna have you 95% of the time here.
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11-19-2010 , 09:02 AM
Hello!

Iam totaly lost, so I just put my question here, wich poker clients offers double or nothing sit& goes?

Sorry if I put my question wrong, in that case just delete it.
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11-19-2010 , 09:18 AM
stars, ongame, ipoker and party have dons

can someone please tell me what the main differents is to 18 man in a nutshell.
esp. in the money. should you play for the win or be more risk averse.
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11-19-2010 , 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by TomoDaK
Like raising ATs OTB during the first level.

PIPCHIP Are you saying you fold Ace ****ing ten suited on the button at 10/20 in a 9m? Folding ATs is beyond nitty, it's bad/silly and losing lota of value. Don't mean to sound mad/rude but that just freaks me out that someone would fold that :O
LOL no problem man... Im not taking it personally.

Like I said, im a 6max player... I havent played 9 mans in about 2 years, so im sure my 9 man strategy is a little off :P
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11-20-2010 , 01:05 AM
With AQ, should i have c-bet the flop, or check-raised instead of how i actually played it below..

Full Tilt - $2+$0.25|25/50 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

CO: 1,605.00
BTN: 2,855.00
SB: 1,270.00
BB: 3,090.00
UTG: 1,280.00
Hero (UTG+1): 1,380.00
MP: 970.00
MP+1: 1,050.00

SB posts SB 25.00, BB posts BB 50.00

Pre Flop: (75.00) Hero has A Q

fold, Hero raises to 150.00, fold, MP+1 calls 150.00, fold, fold, fold, BB calls 100.00

Flop: (475.00, 3 players) Q K 3
BB checks, Hero checks, MP+1 bets 50.00, BB calls 50.00, Hero calls 50.00

Turn: (625.00, 3 players) J
BB checks, Hero checks, MP+1 bets 150.00, fold, fold
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11-22-2010 , 07:37 PM
hey guys

just have some general questions.
I'm playing MTT's since like 2 years and occasionaly throwed in some 4/180s & 2/180 turbos into my session.
I work from 8-5 during weekdays and don't want to grind all the variancefests (mostly playing smallstakes turbos during the week and playing full schedule on friday/saturday when I have time to play.)
my BR is at like 1,6k and I mostly play on stars.
What game would you reccomend to have as standart game/start?
buyinrange should be like 2-6$ I guess (I was spewy with my BR playing MTT's a lot so I'd like to get on the nittier side and just focus about my maingame.)
Good videoseries on coachingsites for ss sng's?
only have pokersavvy & tpe, obv can subscribe to another if theres a lot of stuff.

hope you get my points, if not just ask. ty guys

oh and which tools else then sngwizard/HEM (which stats do you use?)/stove are helpful?

Last edited by ONLYRAISEAA; 11-22-2010 at 07:54 PM.
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11-22-2010 , 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by laberrababer
stars, ongame, ipoker and party have dons

can someone please tell me what the main differents is to 18 man in a nutshell.
esp. in the money. should you play for the win or be more risk averse.
I don't play much differently except for shoving a LOT wider than in a 9man, particularly when the tables are short, and calling very tight near the money.

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Originally Posted by pjay79
With AQ, should i have c-bet the flop, or check-raised instead of how i actually played it below..

Full Tilt - $2+$0.25|25/50 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

CO: 1,605.00
BTN: 2,855.00
SB: 1,270.00
BB: 3,090.00
UTG: 1,280.00
Hero (UTG+1): 1,380.00
MP: 970.00
MP+1: 1,050.00

SB posts SB 25.00, BB posts BB 50.00

Pre Flop: (75.00) Hero has A Q

fold, Hero raises to 150.00, fold, MP+1 calls 150.00, fold, fold, fold, BB calls 100.00

Flop: (475.00, 3 players) Q K 3
BB checks, Hero checks, MP+1 bets 50.00, BB calls 50.00, Hero calls 50.00

Turn: (625.00, 3 players) J
BB checks, Hero checks, MP+1 bets 150.00, fold, fold
I'd tend to raise the flop but we're a bit short for it. I definitely wouldn't fold the turn as played but I wouldn't call another shot on the river.


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Originally Posted by ONLYRAISEAA
hey guys

just have some general questions.
I'm playing MTT's since like 2 years and occasionaly throwed in some 4/180s & 2/180 turbos into my session.
I work from 8-5 during weekdays and don't want to grind all the variancefests (mostly playing smallstakes turbos during the week and playing full schedule on friday/saturday when I have time to play.)
my BR is at like 1,6k and I mostly play on stars.
What game would you reccomend to have as standart game/start?
buyinrange should be like 2-6$ I guess (I was spewy with my BR playing MTT's a lot so I'd like to get on the nittier side and just focus about my maingame.)
You could certainly play 6.5s on that bankroll, 11s on Tilt. You're in theory rolled for 16s on Stars, but given that you don't know how to play, you should probably begin lower.


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Good videoseries on coachingsites for ss sng's?
only have pokersavvy & tpe, obv can subscribe to another if theres a lot of stuff.
I'd strongly recommend AMT's Last Man Standing on DeucesCracked.

Grinderschool is/was decent. Glitlr's videos get a lot of praise. I can't remember the site darinvg was on, but they were quite decent.

tbh, I'd advise Moshman's book for beginners. It's not perfect, but you'll get the idea.

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oh and which tools else then sngwizard/HEM (which stats do you use?)/stove are helpful?
To beat STTs, you really need a good understanding of ICM, so SNG Wiz is a must.

I use HEM and I'd definitely recommend it. What stats to use is a matter of what you personally find useful.

I use: VPIP/PFR/AF/no. of hands Cbet/Fold to cbet/3bet Steal/FoldBB to steal/3bet steal

but you have to be cautious with some of them. For instance, I use Steal to get an idea whether someone is position aware, not to put them on a range as such. I use 3bet steal mostly for regs, because light 3betting is all the rage in the games I play but I don't want to stack myself against those nits who don't do it. FoldBB to steal is much more useful when you filter and have a decent sample.
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11-23-2010 , 07:22 AM
hey!

my question is how you guys manage your bankrolls grinding up mid-stakes STTs. i managed to get rolled for up to 60$ STTs now but im not sure how strong the variance can be there.

what experiences did you do on that stakes and how big have ur ups and downs been?

sry for my english btw
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11-23-2010 , 08:52 AM
ty for the answer monkey, still not sure which particular game I'm going to play.
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11-23-2010 , 10:45 AM
I remember reading somewhere that 15 buy ins is the appropriate bankroll for STTs, does this sound about right?

I recently deposited way too small a bankroll for 2NL, just $10, as it was my first attempt at playing online poker for cash. I won my way up to $50, but for the sake of ensuring I keep some money in the event of tilt etc I withdrew it all.

Now I was thinking I'd be putting my money at less risk and suffering less variance if I played STTs all the way back up to $50 and above, starting with the $1 + $0.20 STTs with an $18 deposit.

Does that sound right?

Also I think I struggle with STTs sometimes, I lose patience, play too loose too early on or too tight later in the game. I've started reading Harrington on Hold 'Em as it was suggested to me as a good book to prove my STT SNG game, anyone else have any books they recommend?

Thanks, and apologies if these are really stupid/basic questions, I have a fair grasp of poker but playing online for cash is completely new to me
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11-23-2010 , 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by JesusGreen
I remember reading somewhere that 15 buy ins is the appropriate bankroll for STTs, does this sound about right?

I recently deposited way too small a bankroll for 2NL, just $10, as it was my first attempt at playing online poker for cash. I won my way up to $50, but for the sake of ensuring I keep some money in the event of tilt etc I withdrew it all.

Now I was thinking I'd be putting my money at less risk and suffering less variance if I played STTs all the way back up to $50 and above, starting with the $1 + $0.20 STTs with an $18 deposit.

Does that sound right?

Also I think I struggle with STTs sometimes, I lose patience, play too loose too early on or too tight later in the game. I've started reading Harrington on Hold 'Em as it was suggested to me as a good book to prove my STT SNG game, anyone else have any books they recommend?

Thanks, and apologies if these are really stupid/basic questions, I have a fair grasp of poker but playing online for cash is completely new to me
No it doesnt sound right. Your way off.
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11-23-2010 , 12:57 PM
6man $6

4 ppl left 100/200blinds - everyone about even stack 2k chips - the dynamic is not very aggro. okay to shove 44 at UTG?
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11-23-2010 , 03:36 PM
it is ok to push.
however minraise fold to push sounds sexy
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11-24-2010 , 12:33 AM
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Originally Posted by marl118
6man $6

4 ppl left 100/200blinds - everyone about even stack 2k chips - the dynamic is not very aggro. okay to shove 44 at UTG?
Of course, everyone got only 10 BB left and A8o+ and 22+ is basically shove material. Everyone has their preference on how high the kicker should be for the ace but any pocket pair with short stack = shove
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11-24-2010 , 01:07 PM
Why do pokerstove and sngwiz offer differing hand ranges? As in with stove there is hands in the top 30% of range that isn't in wiz.
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11-24-2010 , 07:36 PM
I've played for couple of weeks 9-man SNG turbos on PokerStars. I'd like to know, if there is a significant difference between PS and FT. I've googled something, but there are different opinions on this topic and I don't know which of them are right/actual. Thanks for the answer.

Edit: I'm asking on difference between players, quantity of regulars, influence on ROI..

Last edited by Teebo; 11-24-2010 at 07:41 PM.
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11-24-2010 , 09:13 PM
From my own experience based on a very small sample size of 400 games, FT seems to be a lot softer. When I was a losing to break even player on stars at $11 reg speed I played 400 games on tilt for a couple of weeks. I 9 tabled and had a red line roi of 10% (20% actual, I ran good). There seems to be way less regs at every table. Most sngs I played had only one reg at the table, a rarity on stars.
I left ft because of issues with their software. The client would crash at least once a day and the I would get disconnected when my connection was fine. Fwiw I've talked to other players about it and my problems appear to be unique to the setup I'm using.
One other drawback is if you can't play more than 16 tables. I think with rakeback and an increased roi however it makes more sense to play there. Unless you are really good and are regularly making the battle of planets leaderboard on stars.
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11-24-2010 , 11:00 PM
Also something to consider is the lack of antes.
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11-25-2010 , 12:46 AM
Hey guys,

I'm looking to get a coach for the 6max super-turbos on FTP. I looked in the coaching forum and couldn't anything.

Since I don't post in this forum I'm not familiar with anyone, so I was wondering if you guys could point me to some regulars that you know of who play/coach these games.

Thanks.
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11-25-2010 , 05:24 PM
This is in Assumed Rank Order for Pushing Hands table on p. 79. 94o > T4o, 93o > T3o, 92o > T2o, wtf? Anybody knows if this is fixed in the second edition? Or where can I get the correct table?
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11-25-2010 , 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by fievel
This is in Assumed Rank Order for Pushing Hands table on p. 79. 94o > T4o, 93o > T3o, 92o > T2o, wtf? Anybody knows if this is fixed in the second edition? Or where can I get the correct table?
Here is a quote about the ranking method:
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Originally Posted by trojanrabbit
The first thing I did was to generate the multitude of equilibrium solutions for pushing from any position that is outlined in Appendix 1. From those solutions I was then able to interpolate when you should be pushing with some hands and not with others. This enabled me to generate the Power Numbers as well as the hand ranking for pushing. No ranking system is 100% perfect, as I note in the book, but this is pretty much as accurate as it gets. You almost always push with higher ranked hands before lower ranked ones.
So essentially I think Streib went through and counted how often hand X would get shoved before hand Y for each shover in the equilibrium tables in appendix 1. The problem is that although 93o>T3o may be true for most MP/EP shoves for those equilibrium calling solutions (since you are most often called by tight ranges), in reality you are never actually going to be shoving trash hands from EP ~10bbs deep and so it makes the rankings completely unrealistic.

Even though they were attempting to come up with a generalized set of hand rankings, like all hand-ranking systems the one in Kill Everyone is only correct under certain circumstances (determined by the ranking method). In this case those circumstances don't really match well with real circumstances in a sng imo.

I don't think there is any hand-ranking method I would actually recommend for pushing ranges for sngs. You really have to understand how hand rankings are dynamic and change depending on the situation. That's only something you get a good feel for after reviewing/analyzing a ton of hands.
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11-25-2010 , 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by sheeprustler
Why do pokerstove and sngwiz offer differing hand ranges? As in with stove there is hands in the top 30% of range that isn't in wiz.
Stove uses preflop equity versus three random hands for its rankings. Sng wiz uses the Sklansky-Karlson hand rankings. Neither of these are particularly useful ways to rank hands in sngs.

Last edited by IFoldPktOnes; 11-25-2010 at 09:28 PM. Reason: Sklansky-Karlson can be sorta useful HU though...
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11-26-2010 , 05:34 AM
Apologies if this is redundant.

I've decided to switch back to SNGs from cash because I feel they are much easier to grind at high volume, particularly at the lower stakes.

I currently play 3.40 10 man turbos on stars at around 15 tables at the time, continuous. I currently have a 6% roi over 2k games, though my EV line is around 5.5%. The FAQ says that 13% is attainable for good players at these stakes, but it's two years old and doesn't say anything about multi tabling. Is my current ROI decent while 15 tabling? I also feel like I can up the volume to 20+ games comfortably with my style.

If my ROI is indeed low (assuming it's at my true ROI and I'm at my EV, which I realize is most likely not the case after 2k games), what are the major leaks I should focus on? Do I need to master my ICM calcs? Or do I need to focus more on playing certain villains more effectively? I haven't been taking notes or paying attention much to played out hands because the player pool is so large at these stakes.

One more question...what do I make of my red line in SNGs? It's not very important in cash games...but should I pay attention to it in SNGs?

Last edited by grumpshky; 11-26-2010 at 05:40 AM.
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11-26-2010 , 01:47 PM
is it ok to ask other players that are winning players to not join my sngs?

i dont want to collude or cheat, thats why i ask.

it doesnt seem like collusion but im not 100% sure. if i see a guy with 5% roi and he keeps adding into games where im allready in... well it destroys his and my roi a little bit.
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11-26-2010 , 01:53 PM
well the thing is.
regs not playing regs destroyed nl hu. in some degree it is healthy to play each other.
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