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08-18-2019 , 10:06 AM
Hi folks, hope everyone is having a good day

As in the title - does anyone have any advice for what to do when card dead post-flop against floaters and stations?

I've played a couple of heads up sit and go's against players who are floating all my c-bets with trash like queen high, so I'm c-betting less but I'm just going through long stretches of being stone cold dead. I'm playing a reasonable opening range and trying to compensate by betting my draws so I'm not getting run over but none of those are coming in either. Opening hands like KQs and getting 942 flops, betting and getting called or checking and getting potted by his J4 etc, opening suited hands and getting trash rainbow boards.

This is in the 20-40bb area so it's difficult to just stay patient and wait for a hand

Last edited by Jordansimo; 08-18-2019 at 10:12 AM. Reason: Accidentally posted before finishing
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08-19-2019 , 12:30 AM
If you can't withstand the variance clicking fold is always an option too. You will end up losing less often if getting out of the mentioned players way.

I don't know what answer you're expecting here besides keep playing well, review your games and grind it out. Your problem sounds really player specific, so likely no one can give you much better advice than that.
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08-19-2019 , 04:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Jordansimo
As in the title - does anyone have any advice for what to do when card dead post-flop against floaters and stations?
What do they float with? How often will they fold to a c-bet, t-bet and r-bet?

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I've played a couple of heads up sit and go's against players who are floating all my c-bets with trash like queen high, so I'm c-betting less but I'm just going through long stretches of being stone cold dead.
If they float Queen high, c-bet more, and then barrell turn!


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I'm playing a reasonable opening range and trying to compensate by betting my draws so I'm not getting run over but none of those are coming in either.
Which stakes are you playing, dont worry about be run over at smallstakes. Forget about GTO at smallstakes.

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Opening hands like KQs and getting 942 flops, betting and getting called or checking and getting potted by his J4 etc, opening suited hands and getting trash rainbow boards.
Same as before, if they call highcards versus your cbet, fire again. If they call weakpairs to your cbet, fire on most turns again.

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This is in the 20-40bb area so it's difficult to just stay patient and wait for a hand
Why is that diffucult? Just press fold more?
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08-19-2019 , 04:19 AM
Also, start working with flopzilla. Thats probably the best advice to give.
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08-26-2019 , 10:14 PM
Sounds like you got some database work to do. I'd start with what mckrogh said.
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09-08-2019 , 08:10 PM
I'd say this is more of a mental issue than it is a strategic one. Just because you raised a hand preflop does not mean you're entitled to win the pot and you shouldn't be trying to win every pot either.

Bet-check-betting can be a good strategy when you're in position with pure air after villain floats flops as Q/K high and 5th pair hands will check fold river a ton.
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10-11-2019 , 07:18 PM
Sounds frustrating but really just bluffing less and value betting more will give you such an edge. I think most people skim over spots where they should be value betting vs stations. On dry 227 rainbow flops, value bet K high if they're calling 100% of the time.
Also consider spots where you can represent a bluff with a marginal hand. Stations will take any opportunity to make a 'hero' call, so middle pair when it's been checked down to the river could be a spot to just jam the whole stack in.

If you adjust in a way that just removes bluffs and doesn't add value combos then you become incredibly passive. Shifting to a more linear approach of zero bluffs and twice as many value hands means you maintain aggression and I guarantee you'll clean up with all the thin value.
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10-11-2019 , 08:13 PM
Sounds frustrating but really just bluffing less and value betting more will give you such an edge. I think most people skim over spots where they should be value betting vs stations. On dry 227 rainbow flops, value bet K high if they're calling 100% of the time.
Also consider spots where you can represent a bluff with a marginal hand. Stations will take any opportunity to make a 'hero' call, so middle pair when it's been checked down to the river could be a spot to just jam the whole stack in.

If you adjust in a way that just removes bluffs and doesn't add value combos then you become incredibly passive. Shifting to a more linear approach of zero bluffs and twice as many value hands means you maintain aggression and I guarantee you'll clean up with all the thin value.
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