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(LC) 500th post : Game selection and how much regs hurt your ROI (LC) 500th post : Game selection and how much regs hurt your ROI

02-13-2009 , 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Does this mean no werd2u 500th post thread? Dammit I just lost my will to live. I bequeath my computer set up to AMT. Microbet can have my car.

what kind of computer? WHY DOES JAY GET THE CAR?

edit: is this because of my reply in scotty's 555/1k thread?

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Originally Posted by LittleJohnstone
does having a player like "dana gordon" at my tables help or hurt my roi?

i'm guessing even the bad/losing regs hurt your roi a bit.
Good guess for the most part IMO, but I'd say rotteresque players have their merits still At least if not playing too many tables so that you can keep up with the shenanigans.

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Originally Posted by werd2poo
these threads are getting oldddddddddddddddddddddd


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Originally Posted by kamel
I would fight and pay to play a table with only 9/6 type of regulars.
Just because they're generally easy to play against does not mean that you're going to make a ton of money in standard STT structures off of them compared to most other opponents, especially if you're trying to say that you'd want the top 8 nit regs at your table and you as your most favorable STT situation.

Last edited by AMT; 02-13-2009 at 10:54 AM.
02-13-2009 , 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by kamel
I would fight and pay to play a table with only 9/6 type of regulars.
ok, i am looking at a table right now. the nitty regs are myself, darin, melbourne joe, and bigmick. lets just throw in four more 2+2'ers (pokerpb, spacegravy, dd beast, luisgallo).

are you sure you want to pay to be at that table?
02-13-2009 , 11:31 AM
Dunno if this should be here or not, but FTS makes game selecting very easy on FT.

Steps:

1. Open FT leaderboards, either use the appropriate SNG one or create your own.
2. Copy the text for the first 100 or so and paste it in Excel
3. Highlight just the names column, copy and paste it onto a separate sheet
4. Select the column of names, use Excel's data function to sort it alphabetically if you're anal like me.
5. Copy it again, paste it into FTS' sharklist in the settings folder and save it.
6. Set "Max # of Sharks" in the SNG A tab to 1, 2 or whatever your max preference is.
7. Use FTS to load your SNGs

You will now never be registered for a SNG with more than the # of sharks/regs you set. If you're really anal, put notes on each one or color code them in FT.
02-13-2009 , 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Doublez-Down
Dunno if this should be here or not, but FTS makes game selecting very easy on FT.

Steps:

1. Open FT leaderboards, either use the appropriate SNG one or create your own.
2. Copy the text for the first 100 or so and paste it in Excel
3. Highlight just the names column, copy and paste it onto a separate sheet
4. Select the column of names, use Excel's data function to sort it alphabetically if you're anal like me.
5. Copy it again, paste it into FTS' sharklist in the settings folder and save it.
6. Set "Max # of Sharks" in the SNG A tab to 1, 2 or whatever your max preference is.
7. Use FTS to load your SNGs

You will now never be registered for a SNG with more than the # of sharks/regs you set. If you're really anal, put notes on each one or color code them in FT.

God I wish Stars had something remotely as cool as this.
02-13-2009 , 11:57 AM
You know it is real easy to game select too. You don't have to look anybody up just get into a game that nobody is in. if all the regs did that then they would have the table to themselves. There would be like 60-100 tables registering all the time at the 16's and it would take them longer to fill but it would be worth it.
02-13-2009 , 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Doublez-Down
Dunno if this should be here or not, but FTS makes game selecting very easy on FT.

Steps:

1. Open FT leaderboards, either use the appropriate SNG one or create your own.
2. Copy the text for the first 100 or so and paste it in Excel
3. Highlight just the names column, copy and paste it onto a separate sheet
4. Select the column of names, use Excel's data function to sort it alphabetically if you're anal like me.
5. Copy it again, paste it into FTS' sharklist in the settings folder and save it.
6. Set "Max # of Sharks" in the SNG A tab to 1, 2 or whatever your max preference is.
7. Use FTS to load your SNGs

You will now never be registered for a SNG with more than the # of sharks/regs you set. If you're really anal, put notes on each one or color code them in FT.
If you're creating your own, a decent amount of the top 100 will not be sharks. Some will be <-10% roi players that you certainly do not want to avoid.

Sharklist on FTS is a pretty cool feature though.
02-13-2009 , 12:12 PM
Maybe true. Although they did something to get on your leaderboard. I usually create mine by filtering it for the buy-ins I play (maybe go one over for when I move up), turbos, SNG formula, etc. And I do it for a 3 month period, so they just didn't luckbox their way to the leaderboard. I dunno, most of the names I recognize are definitely people I like to avoid.
02-13-2009 , 12:19 PM
Very well done, thanks!
02-13-2009 , 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by rudyard
If you're creating your own, a decent amount of the top 100 will not be sharks. Some will be <-10% roi players that you certainly do not want to avoid.

Sharklist on FTS is a pretty cool feature though.
true. FTPs leaderboards are quite volume-based. Some guys in there are pretty awful and i'll instajump into their games if i see that they are loading a set.
02-13-2009 , 12:31 PM
I dunno, just looked at the top 6 in my custom leaderboard and all are winning regs, including 2 on the SS leaderboards. In any case, I suppose you could just scope your custom leaderboard and include those that have a certain ROI to make it more accurate.
02-13-2009 , 12:35 PM
sure, its good as a rough list to start with.
If you think it takes ages for tables to load, because FTS passes up a load of games, you might want to refine your list by scoping or at least OPR'ing the players.
02-13-2009 , 12:38 PM
k so I'm gonna be uber hypocritical and go back on my theory on table selecting.
Copied top 100 into sharklist and not going to play with more than 3 for next 1k games and see if it helps me get out of a rut.
02-13-2009 , 12:40 PM
More than 3? I don't think that's gonna make much of a difference, since the chance that 3 from your sharklist aren't going to be in the same game very often. I set mine to 1, but I like dem fishy games ftw.
02-13-2009 , 12:42 PM
Pretty much every game has 2-3 I thought?
Ok I'll drop it down to 2 after 7regd on further thought
You are added to my sharklist obv. 11% Roi is sexy.
02-13-2009 , 12:55 PM
DD - your leaderboard to sharklist is a great simple start. taking it a step further to sharkscope your sharklist would obv help more. two simple steps to make table selecting on ftp real easy. i'm creating a stars acct soon and will wish they had this feature
02-13-2009 , 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by faarcyde
real men don't game select.
QFT
02-13-2009 , 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by juandadi
i was just gonna post the same thing
its sucks cuz it seems as if its gonna be imposible to play with less than 2 regs thougthout the day, every day...

reallly really bad.
. more regs everyday, less tables, fak! no time...
Dark side of this forum imo.
02-13-2009 , 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Little John
ok, i am looking at a table right now. the nitty regs are myself, darin, melbourne joe, and bigmick. lets just throw in four more 2+2'ers (pokerpb, spacegravy, dd beast, luisgallo).
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However, a lot also depends on the rake to pay and the rakeback to get. I get about 6% ROI vs the guy you desribe + a kind of rakeback (I'm no SNE) and that just for fun as I don't play SnGs for a living. So I think, I really like having easy 9/6sers most of the time at my table, at least at 300+.

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are you sure you want to pay to be at that table?
Yes, I am.

Last edited by TruFloridaGator; 02-13-2009 at 10:50 PM.
02-13-2009 , 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by AMT
what kind of computer? WHY DOES JAY GET THE CAR?
It actually kind of sucks. But I have some sweet monitors. I figured Jay could use the car to haul around solar panels and stuff. Or maybe loan it to his employees, who seem to have a hard time coming up with rides/gas money.

But with the car you have to find a home for my fish that doesn't involve a toilet or a lake. It's a big responsibility. I'll let you negotiate with Jay while I research painless ways to passive-aggressively let myself die that will be the least upsetting to my Mom.
02-13-2009 , 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by kamel
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However, a lot also depends on the rake to pay and the rakeback to get. I get about 6% ROI vs the guy you desribe + a kind of rakeback (I'm no SNE) and that just for fun as I don't play SnGs for a living. So I think, I really like having easy 9/6sers most of the time at my table, at least at 300+.



Yes, I am.
wow. just wow. show some respect for some great players.

Last edited by TruFloridaGator; 02-13-2009 at 10:49 PM.
02-13-2009 , 08:33 PM
how boring would games be if I couldn't exploit regs leaks?
02-13-2009 , 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by kamel
Come on, melbourne joe and bigmick are a joke at every phase of the game. Darin is a good player in most levels, but has some serious leaks in some, too. luis, you aren't serious? Is this guy even a winning player? He is just not good enough.
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02-13-2009 , 08:44 PM
kamel has his own ideas about a few things, particularly the profit-potential in exploiting reg nits, that aren't shared by, well, anyone else on this forum. But, he has some great hand advice and definitely a different viewpoint that this forum can really use.

imo
02-13-2009 , 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by kamel
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However, a lot also depends on the rake to pay and the rakeback to get. I get about 6% ROI vs the guy you desribe + a kind of rakeback (I'm no SNE) and that just for fun as I don't play SnGs for a living. So I think, I really like having easy 9/6sers most of the time at my table, at least at 300+.



Yes, I am.

You are completely ignorant. If you have a 6% ROI & play tables like that then you are simply running like a God. Educate yourself on sample size & variance before getting a big ego. I know you'll come back & say you understand variance, but you don't. Most players think they do but actually hardly have a clue. You can literally play 18,000 SNGs & be 50% off your true ROI. It's rare but it can happen. I've seen it happen to a few players. Play around w/ the ROI simulator sometime & then stop talking about your 6% ROI w/ poor ass table selection at high stakes SNGs. I have no idea what your sample size, nor do I care. I don't need that info to know how good you're running. Your posts explain it.

-Hub

Last edited by TruFloridaGator; 02-13-2009 at 10:49 PM.
02-13-2009 , 09:09 PM
Kamel comes off like a douche sometimes (which is probably unintentional), but I'll agree with Suzzer, he does bring some "outside the box" thinking to the forum, and while I may not always like his tone, his content is generally very useful and at least thought-provoking.

      
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