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02-19-2020 , 08:27 PM
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thinkright
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9 man sng on the bubble/blinds 100-200 25 ante/co-1408,btn 2257,sb-4442,hero in bb with 5393.Both cut off and button fold ,small blind raises to 800,i 3 bet jam with AKs.I ran this and it appears my shove range should be
as follows/any Ace,KJo+,QJo+,JJ+,J7s+,Q2s+,K2s+,33-77,35s,45s,46s,56s,57s,67s,87s fold every thing else.It seems some hands should be included in my shove range that are actually -EV,for instance 88-TT,9Ts,8Ts,these hands seem like they should at least have as much or more equity than the smaller pairs or smaller suited connectors.Does anybody have similar spots they have come across?? thank you very much for your replies and disscussion
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02-20-2020 , 11:24 AM
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Sorry mate I don't get why 88-TT would be a -EV jam while 53s would +EV
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02-20-2020 , 02:54 PM
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right?!!!!!seems intuitively wrong,why would 77 be +Ev,yet TT -Ev,,then JJ through AA positive again??if you put these numbers in,,this is what youll see,i must be missing something
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02-20-2020 , 03:03 PM
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you using icmizer?
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02-20-2020 , 07:53 PM
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yes,icmizer
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02-21-2020 , 06:47 AM
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Id try asking icmizer support wether its a bug.

Would need to know SBs opening and calling range, but sure seems strange. I guess, against calling-range like {JJ}, it could make sense.
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02-21-2020 , 06:54 AM
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I ran the simulation and admittedly the chart is a bit confusing since says 77-TT is -$EV if you shove.

However, if I copy and paste the range ICMizer provides me:

22+,A2+,K2s+,K9o+,K7o-K2o,Q2s+,Q9o+,Q7o-Q4o,J2s+,97s,85s+,74s+,63s+,52s+,43s

we can notice that 77,88,99,TT are included in this range
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03-10-2020 , 01:46 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronny Mahoni
Id try asking icmizer support wether its a bug.

Would need to know SBs opening and calling range, but sure seems strange. I guess, against calling-range like {JJ}, it could make sense.
counting on you sharing the reply from ICMIZER support
thx
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03-10-2020 , 01:49 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by thinkright
9 man sng on the bubble/blinds 100-200 25 ante/co-1408,btn 2257,sb-4442,hero in bb with 5393.Both cut off and button fold ,small blind raises to 800,i 3 bet jam with AKs.I ran this and it appears my shove range should be
as follows/any Ace,KJo+,QJo+,JJ+,J7s+,Q2s+,K2s+,33-77,35s,45s,46s,56s,57s,67s,87s fold every thing else.It seems some hands should be included in my shove range that are actually -EV,for instance 88-TT,9Ts,8Ts,these hands seem like they should at least have as much or more equity than the smaller pairs or smaller suited connectors.Does anybody have similar spots they have come across?? thank you very much for your replies and disscussion
maybe....ICMIZER figures we shall flat with 88-TT, 9Ts,8Ts....
can't help laughing......
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03-11-2020 , 06:44 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RomaVictor0429
counting on you sharing the reply from ICMIZER support
thx
What I meant was, if I was OP, I would ask icmizer support.
The solution however appears to have been found:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Theagent77
I ran the simulation and admittedly the chart is a bit confusing since says 77-TT is -$EV if you shove.

However, if I copy and paste the range ICMizer provides me:

22+,A2+,K2s+,K9o+,K7o-K2o,Q2s+,Q9o+,Q7o-Q4o,J2s+,97s,85s+,74s+,63s+,52s+,43s

we can notice that 77,88,99,TT are included in this range
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