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Old 12-13-2017, 10:41 AM   #1
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Heads Up Calling Shove with 87s $2SNG

Looking for some feedback on whether I made a decent call or if I just got lucky on a bad move. I'm at work so I can't use PT4 to convert the hand, so I apologize for formatting.

Heads-up and we have more than double Villain's stack. We're in the BB. So far, it's has been pretty standard heads-up play with each of us challenging the other for the blinds preflop. Some walking and a few call/checks. Villain has been playing really standard with no moves worth noting.

Blinds are 100/200 and ante of 25 or 50 (can't remember).

Hero has about 7500 chips. Villain has about 3500.

Hero gets 87 in the BB.

Villain raises to 950. (I'm thinking this means he doesn't want me to call since he went larger than he had been)

Hero re-raises to 1500.

Villain shoves for about 2400.

Hero calls.
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Old 12-13-2017, 11:39 AM   #2
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Re: Heads Up Calling Shove with 87s $2SNG

Personally I think this is an easy fold. Villain most probably has two big cards ATo+ or pairs 22-99. Our equity isn't great versus this range. If he is making a move this time I am sure you can profitably shove with a tighter range that definitely doesn't include 87s. Fold and keep your chip lead.
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Old 12-13-2017, 11:56 AM   #3
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Re: Heads Up Calling Shove with 87s $2SNG

I'm leaning that way too. The shove likely means he has two broadways or a pair. I doubt he shoves with Ax in hindsight.
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Old 12-13-2017, 02:23 PM   #4
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Re: Heads Up Calling Shove with 87s $2SNG

Just let it go pre. You have a 2:1 chip lead with almost 40bb, there's no rush to get involved in big pots or make moves with 87s.

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Old 12-13-2017, 10:13 PM   #5
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Re: Heads Up Calling Shove with 87s $2SNG

Of all 3 options I think 3betting is the worst as villain is at least going to flat the 3bet given your sizing and you almost never have the best hand. In addition given villain's stack size it's likely you have no fold equity. Villain may well be making a larger raise pre here to ensure he can gii otf or turn. Some opponents are raising larger with their premium hands hu. Obviously as played your calling the shove.
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Old 12-14-2017, 12:44 AM   #6
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Re: Heads Up Calling Shove with 87s $2SNG

just fold to the 5x open 18bb deep

as played it's a call vs a range of 99+,AQs+,AQo+

also our 3b size isnt even possible

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Old 12-14-2017, 09:32 AM   #7
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Re: Heads Up Calling Shove with 87s $2SNG

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also our 3b size isnt even possible
You're right. Was pulling this from rough memory while at work. It was probably 2000 instead of 1500.
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Old 12-16-2017, 12:16 AM   #8
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Re: Heads Up Calling Shove with 87s $2SNG

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(I'm thinking this means he doesn't want me to call since he went larger than he had been).
You got it partially right with your logic here. You can be pretty confident applying the following rule going forward in general: The more someone bets, the better their hand. Their will be some instances where someone makes a huge size and you can clearly remove the absolute best hands from their range (pre or post) but generally extra large sizings occur less frequently and are done with a more value heavy range.

What you got halfway right here is the fact that this villain likely doesn't want a call, but that's because he will probably have a mid-weak PP, or middling Ax hand that he views as strong but he wants to avoid uncomfortable postflop situations.

So your brain took the right path (he doesn't want a call) but it should have added the fact that these extra large sizings tend to be weighted towards good medium strength hands that tend to face awkward situations postflop and will rarely be folding preflop.
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Old 12-17-2017, 03:03 PM   #9
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Re: Heads Up Calling Shove with 87s $2SNG

Interesting spot, dont look back
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Old 12-29-2017, 12:56 AM   #10
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Re: Heads Up Calling Shove with 87s $2SNG

I think a situation at these stakes where you will find a villain that is folding in this spot is very rare. You therefore have no fold equity and I think with 87s you are relying at least a bit on it.

I agree with sippin_criss. Even if villain has a middling hand, he isn't folding. Just let it go and keep playing. I don't know about the villain in this particular case, but at those stakes in general villains usually don't defend enough in the BB, enabling you to autoprofit again and again and keep abusing them (just don't be greedy and abuse just the right amount to not piss him off and make him adjust).
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