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Old 07-15-2017, 12:11 AM   #1
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Do you have a better ROI at double-or-nothings or triple-or-nothings?

Seems like the doubles are better, if for no reason other than its half the juice than the triples...

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Old 07-15-2017, 12:06 PM   #2
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Re: Do you have a better ROI at double-or-nothings or triple-or-nothings?

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Old 07-15-2017, 03:42 PM   #3
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Re: Do you have a better ROI at double-or-nothings or triple-or-nothings?

Half the rake, and half the time to finish. I tried Triple Ups when I started playing STT's, and while I ran well over my small sample size, the length of time to complete one made me move away from them into Double Ups pretty quickly. Ive had triple ups taken 1.5 hours to finish before. Thats great if your paying to play poker, but Im paying to win money, so Double Ups, and Hyper Turbos are your best friend if you want to build your bankroll quickly.

Btw, my ROI is higher in Triple Ups than the Double Ups, and Hyper Turbo, but sample size is small so Im not sure if Triple Ups tend to be higher ROI vs. the DU, HT.
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Old 07-16-2017, 12:59 AM   #4
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Re: Do you have a better ROI at double-or-nothings or triple-or-nothings?

Hmm that is what I found, I can complete a double up in about 40-45 minutes.

I don't think they ever get to the 250/500 level, I think only 1 out of the 100 I've played so far got that high

I didn't think about the Hyper Turbos but that's probably a pretty good idea, albeit more of a crapshoot...
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Old 07-16-2017, 09:44 PM   #5
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Re: Do you have a better ROI at double-or-nothings or triple-or-nothings?

bigger icm considerations in DONS, should probably lead to larger rois
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Old 07-17-2017, 07:32 PM   #6
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Re: Do you have a better ROI at double-or-nothings or triple-or-nothings?

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Hmm that is what I found, I can complete a double up in about 40-45 minutes.

I don't think they ever get to the 250/500 level, I think only 1 out of the 100 I've played so far got that high

I didn't think about the Hyper Turbos but that's probably a pretty good idea, albeit more of a crapshoot...
I wouldn't say its a crapshoot, but it can feel like it at times. Ive only played about 400 Hypers so far, and swings of 10-20 buyins -/+ within 10-20 games are somewhat common. The upside is that you can literally claw yourself out of a downswing within just a few hours if you're playing 3+ tables at a time.

Tilt is a factor though. Ive never tilted so hard at any poker game more than Hyper Turbos, and I love me some PLO, so I understand tilt well, and I still get very frustrated if not outright shouting angrily many times

If you try Hyper Turbos, 100+ buyins is mandatory for your psyche when you hit a downswing. Knowing Im only down 10-15% when I hit a bad run helps me alot, so I do recommend being over-rolled or close to it if you try them out.
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Old 07-19-2017, 12:52 AM   #7
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I wouldn't say its a crapshoot, but it can feel like it at times. Ive only played about 400 Hypers so far, and swings of 10-20 buyins -/+ within 10-20 games are somewhat common. The upside is that you can literally claw yourself out of a downswing within just a few hours if you're playing 3+ tables at a time.

Tilt is a factor though. Ive never tilted so hard at any poker game more than Hyper Turbos, and I love me some PLO, so I understand tilt well, and I still get very frustrated if not outright shouting angrily many times

If you try Hyper Turbos, 100+ buyins is mandatory for your psyche when you hit a downswing. Knowing Im only down 10-15% when I hit a bad run helps me alot, so I do recommend being over-rolled or close to it if you try them out.
seems like they would actually take longer than the turbo double or nothings. 10 minute levels is nuts, even though by the 25/50 level you're pretty much at push/fold mode I'm guessing
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Old 07-19-2017, 03:28 AM   #8
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The people at ignition are idiots. Its not actually 10 minutes for blind levels in the Hyper Turbos. I just timed it, and it was around 2 minutes.

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Old 07-19-2017, 01:26 PM   #9
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The people at ignition are idiots. Its not actually 10 minutes for blind levels in the Hyper Turbos. I just timed it, and it was around 2 minutes.
yeah its 3 minutes

that's crazy they say 10
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Old 07-20-2017, 11:00 AM   #10
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Re: Do you have a better ROI at double-or-nothings or triple-or-nothings?

I grind 5 dollar Hypers on Ignition. ROI has been just under 10% including rake over 2k sample. Variance is surprising lower than i expected as i have only had one slightly losing month and my roi ranges between .98-1.21 over a 10th month sample playing roughly 200 tourneys each month.
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Old 07-26-2017, 05:01 AM   #11
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Re: Do you have a better ROI at double-or-nothings or triple-or-nothings?

At which sites u can still Play DON´s with a good traffic?
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Old 07-28-2017, 05:16 PM   #12
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At which sites u can still Play DON´s with a good traffic?
Partypoker for sure, or, if you can play there, Winamax. Those are the best choices you have IMO.
From what I heard ipoker is dead.
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Old 08-18-2017, 03:11 PM   #13
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Re: Do you have a better ROI at double-or-nothings or triple-or-nothings?

I play DoN micro's, you are right I have never seen one get to 250/500 I don't believe. My ROI is around 9% through a few hundred right now. I can't speak for the triple's because I have not played them.
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Old 08-19-2017, 05:15 AM   #14
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Partypoker for sure, or, if you can play there, Winamax. Those are the best choices you have IMO.
From what I heard ipoker is dead.
isnt party poker bot infested? id suspect there are many collusion rings or some sort of cheaters at these games.
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Old 08-19-2017, 05:21 AM   #15
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isnt party poker bot infested? id suspect there are many collusion rings or some sort of cheaters at these games.
Not "infested,", there was one small ring of 4 players that I reported. The games are still very soft regardless IMO.
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Old 08-19-2017, 06:25 AM   #16
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Not "infested,", there was one small ring of 4 players that I reported. The games are still very soft regardless IMO.
sorry, I just read that in other thread and just repeated it, which games would you say there are more bots? sngs? mtts? cash? does it include nlhe? which stakes? thanks!
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Old 08-20-2017, 06:48 AM   #17
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sorry, I just read that in other thread and just repeated it, which games would you say there are more bots? sngs? mtts? cash? does it include nlhe? which stakes? thanks!

Certainly most bots in Cash, just like on any other site, since I dont play cash I have no detailed knowledge though.
As for the SNG bots I talk about stakes of up to $5.50s. However, the bots at the fullring DoNs are super easily exploitable (because they play like 10\8 overall. If you raise them pre, you auto-profit). The overall population at these stakes greatly outweighs the bots because overall games are soft IMO. Compared to Winamax it definitely is a lot softer (on Winamax at 6max DoNs probably 5-6% ROI is the max at 1€s and up, at Party 10% is surely attainable at 2s for example).
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Old 08-20-2017, 02:27 PM   #18
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Certainly most bots in Cash, just like on any other site, since I dont play cash I have no detailed knowledge though.
As for the SNG bots I talk about stakes of up to $5.50s. However, the bots at the fullring DoNs are super easily exploitable (because they play like 10\8 overall. If you raise them pre, you auto-profit). The overall population at these stakes greatly outweighs the bots because overall games are soft IMO. Compared to Winamax it definitely is a lot softer (on Winamax at 6max DoNs probably 5-6% ROI is the max at 1€s and up, at Party 10% is surely attainable at 2s for example).
thanks, those are the game I play the most and some mtts, but ill still be moving out since its horrible for the game that they are so many bots anyways.
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Old 08-21-2017, 04:59 PM   #19
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Yeah I agree, while the games are highly profitable (at least for micros, I can't speak for midstakes etc) it feels pretty weird knowing there are bots in the games and it seems like they are allowed to stay...
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