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Old 12-27-2009, 12:48 AM   #101
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Re: Discussion of HUD use for SNGs

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I was just thinking a lot about the "raise first" stat. Why don't people use this instead of PFR?

For example, let's say I'm in the BB and everyone folds around to the SB, who shoves all-in for 10BB. This is a pretty standard move, if he's a good player. A passive, casual player would probably fold most hands, but a reg will shove pretty wide from the SB. Anyway, for this situation the stat I always look at is "raise first from SB" - I don't use the "PFR from SB" stat, because that one will be skewed by the situations where a passive player just happened to wake up with AA in the SB and shoves all-in, regardless of the action before him.

So I'm starting to think that in general, if you only have a limited sample size on someone (maybe 200 hands), the positional "raise first" stats might give you a better indication of their style of play then their "PFR" stats. Am I on to something here?
In this case I think that a better indication is his att.steal from the SB.

Generally, I combine PFR/Steal SB/Imagen of the villain/Recent history against him, to decide how wide will be my calling range against his shove.

postscript: I apologize for my poor English
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Old 12-27-2009, 03:07 AM   #102
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Pokertracker and 6max STT

Hello, long time lurker, very seldom poster here. Alright, so I've been doing the 6max gig for a bit and kind of like my results and have been using Pokertracker the whole way. The one thing I like is that over time when running into regulars you have a whole case built on them for your next encounter with sample sizes. What I am wondering is, is an HUD a staple for a successful 6max player? How relevant is having hand histories on sng people going to be? And is the HUD nearly completely useless if your facing a table of people you have never played before?
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Old 12-27-2009, 03:22 AM   #103
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Re: Pokertracker and 6max STT

I need to update my HUD as right now I only have VP/PR/AR (or whatever aggresion is I forget).

Some important things would be:

Folds to continuation bet
How defends blinds
Raise/fold percentage preflop (no point in pushing marginal stuff against people who can't fold no?)
% of time continuation bets after raising pf
3 bet %

And yeah, I'm not sure if this one exists, but

Donk bet %

I have PT3 and I'd like to know how to check how people's game transitions from the early (20/30) to midgame (50/100/200) to endgame (200/400). I've just been too lazy to figure it out. Also, I don't have it or know if it's possible, but how they play positionally.
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Old 01-31-2010, 03:53 PM   #104
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Re: Discussion of HUD use for SNGs

Hello, can I filter hands played like 7-10 players left, 4-6 players left and ITM with Realtime HUD, if I can, could you please let me know.
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Old 01-31-2010, 04:40 PM   #105
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Re: Discussion of HUD use for SNGs

With SNG's being mainly push fold I personally don't find post flop stats useful so I dropped them. If I had to chose 1 set of stats it would be steal stats.

Name/Hands
VPIP/PRR/Limp%
Steal/fold stats
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Old 01-31-2010, 04:55 PM   #106
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Re: Discussion of HUD use for SNGs

Does anyone use a HUD for Super Turbos? I've never used a HUD while playing super turbos, but I can't really see any benefits to playing with a HUD while 9-16 tabling.
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Old 02-10-2010, 10:19 AM   #107
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Re: Discussion of HUD use for SNGs

Hi Guys,

I'd like to know if you use HEM+Sharkscope or Just HEM (or any other HUD).

I'm asking that cause the HUD informations are very different.

One (Sharks) give you the results - Roi, etc - and the other (HEM) gives you information about the player's style.

Thanks.
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Old 02-10-2010, 10:47 AM   #108
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Re: Discussion of HUD use for SNGs

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Hi Guys,

I'd like to know if you use HEM+Sharkscope or Just HEM (or any other HUD).

I'm asking that cause the HUD informations are very different.

One (Sharks) give you the results - Roi, etc - and the other (HEM) gives you information about the player's style.

Thanks.
I use a PT HUD, but I've tossing around the idea of using SS HUD as well as the information is different and really gives you better overall pictures of your opponents.

Does anyone use Sharkscope HUD?
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Old 02-10-2010, 11:01 AM   #109
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Re: Discussion of HUD use for SNGs

Thought sharkscope HUD was banned by Stars (possibly FT and others too)? I'd check that out first...
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Old 02-14-2010, 10:40 AM   #110
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Re: Discussion of HUD use for SNGs

Hello guys.

I am jumping into this thread to kindly ask you to post what are the ranges that you use for the most popular stats, namely:

VP$IP
PFR
AF
Att to Steal from SB
Cbet Flop
Fold BB to steal
... Others

The fact is I have just downloaded HEM -gonna "buy it" via FTP- and have no clear idea of what ranges use.

Thanks in advance.
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Old 02-14-2010, 11:14 AM   #111
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Re: Discussion of HUD use for SNGs

HEM recently created both the bb and M stats and I find the bb stat useful.
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Old 02-18-2010, 07:08 PM   #112
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Re: Discussion of HUD use for SNGs

Hope i've located the right thread.

I have been playing online for over 4 years now. I've flirted with cash but SNG's are for me. Main stay is tthe $5.50 & $11's on Stars, i've played over 2000 games and am currently running a 22% ROI.

As you can see i have not contributed much to this forum so far because i find it very hard to know where to start. Even though i regard myself as having a good knowledge of poker, coming on here is a reality check for me as i cannot understand a word you lot are going on about half the time with all the abbreviations and so on.

What i really want to know in simple terms is... Should i be using some sort of software as its all i hear and read about, plus i am probably up against 8 other players at the table with an edge on me.

Much obliged
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Old 02-18-2010, 09:54 PM   #113
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Re: Discussion of HUD use for SNGs

Yes, makes in game, quick calls or folds, raises, etc. alot easier. If ur playing more than 2 tables at a time. Very easy to spot good players and donks w/o having to pay attention to every single hand in every single game. Shows u vpip/pfr/and agg factor in HUD.

Also is the only way to really review hands easily. If ur so inclined. Can help u find leaks in ur game. Also very easy INGAME to mark hands for review. Keeps track of all the players u have ever played, w/ all their stats.

Keeps track of winnings, losses, by day, month, year, type of buy-in etc. Graphs everything out for u. It's really cool actually. I could keep going on and on. Does about 100x more than this too. It's a pretty cool gadget in and of itself, even if u don't utilize every aspect that it offers. It does so much I think u can find new things it does after a year of having it. Hope this helps.

I use PT3 (Poker Tracker 3) and has 2 mos. free trial. Has a great HUD and behind the scenes software. Alot of people use HEM (Holdem Manager). And alot use SNGW (Sit N Go Wiz). All cost about 80-100 bucks after trial.

Actually PT3 only cost 45 if u only play NLH and dont play higher than $11SNG's and .25/.50 cash games.

Cheers u bloke.

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Old 02-19-2010, 08:11 AM   #114
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Re: Discussion of HUD use for SNGs

Cheers JPII

I think i may go ahead and purchase PT3 as i never buy-in for more than $11.

I have another question. I have a desktop and a laptop i will need it installed on. Will i need to subscribe for each computer? Or will one subscription cover them both?
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Old 02-19-2010, 06:36 PM   #115
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Re: Discussion of HUD use for SNGs

I'm almost positive u won't need to do that, but I'm sure u will come across the info as u download. Also if u go to "software" on this site u can ask specific questions about specific software used in poker. I think they may even have reps that will answer your questions. Or at least people very familiar w/ the product u are asking about.
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Old 02-20-2010, 08:01 AM   #116
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Re: Discussion of HUD use for SNGs

Cheers JPII. Thanks for your help.
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Old 04-14-2010, 12:39 PM   #117
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Re: Discussion of HUD use for SNGs

I am playing 6max SnGs.

Using a hud configured:

Attempt Steal/Fold SB Steal/Fold BB Steal
VPIP/PFR
Conti Flop/ Fold Conti Flop/ Total Hands
Total Aggression Postflop

Filter:

5-7
4
3
2
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Old 04-15-2010, 01:09 AM   #118
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Re: Discussion of HUD use for SNGs

I'll add something to the conversation - and I hope I didn't miss it in the thread.

First, to keep things relevant, what I use depends entirely on the game type, etc. For SNGs I usually use a two panel HEM HUD.

Panel 1: Hands Name Tourney M
Panel 2: VPIP, PFR, AF, WTSD, W$SD
3Bet/Fold to 3Bet, Cbet/Fold to Cbet, Check Raise
Steal/Fold Sb to Steal/Fold BB to Steal

I have a couple of different HUDs which are basically the same but allow me to lose a few stats when I feel like it without having to go in and re-edit the HUD.

Too many stats for you? It used to be for me too. I hate the clutter, so I tried a few things out, which is the main reason I wanted to post.

EDIT: Oh ya, I make extensive use of color coding, but there isn't room to get into that right now. There are other threads that go into that. I do advise it though.
A few tips to help tweak your HUD for your taste.

1) Change the font sizes. Easily done and a good thing to consider for number of Hands stat. Of course, just dropping from 10pt to 9pt or from 9pt to 8pt can do wonders for real estate. Depends on your eyes.

2) Change the fonts. Another simple tweak that helps more than you might think. Again, this will depend on your eyesight but I find that some fonts at 9pt are easier to read while taking up less space than other fonts at 10pt. For that matter, one font at 10pt can actually be smaller than another font at 10pt. Try a few and find something that works.

3) Abbreviate or remove labels. When I watch a poker video where some guy has a HUD up with a ton of stats and a ton of labels, I wonder how they do it. Each person has to find the balance between clean, organized and usable and for me it goes like this: VPIP, PFR and AF don't have labels at all. They are easily recognized and I always know where they are. Went to Show Down is, at most, SD. Won Money at Show Down is, at most, $SD. Because of my experience with another piece of software that did it like this, when it comes to 3Bet and Fold to 3Bet I simply use "3B" for 3Bet then for Fold to 3Bet, instead of a label, I use a forward slash. I always know that the first one is 3Bet and the second number is Fold to 3Bet. I do the same thing for CBet/Fold to CBet, as well as Steal/Fold SB to Steal/Fold BB to Steal. You can take it from there. This approach saves me so much real estate and allows me to get the stats I might want without having my table look like a complicated mess.

4) Other ways to use labels. Similar to how I used the forward slash, I will also use spaces in the labels. For instance, the first line of one of my HUDs has VPIP/PFR/AF and then WTSD and W$Sd. What I do is leve off the abbreviations for the first three, then use "SD" for Went to Show Down, but before the "SD" in the label box I will add one or two spaces. Doing so creates a better separation between the stats and helps with quick recognition as well as a cleaner look. I also add a space or two before the player name so that there is a little room between the Hands stat and the Name. Same with Tourney M in my example.

Anyways, sorry to ramble on but I think someone might find that useful. Obvious stuff once you see it but it's easy not to think of this stuff. Hope it helps.

EDIT: Oh ya, I color code extensively, but that's too much to get into here and now.

EDIT 2: OH! Remember to customize your pop up stats as well. This can take some time and be frustrating, but having additional information handy is very helpful and it will also help keep your HUD leaner and meaner. For instance, most of us like using Steal/Fold SB to Steal.Fold BB to Steal, but we usually only want this information handy for the two guys on our left and one or two guys on our right. If you want to save space, just make a custom pop up that only gives you Steal stats on roll or click over and remove them from your normal HUD. Those are not stats you will need to look at every single go'round anyways.

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Old 04-16-2010, 05:28 AM   #119
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How to setup my hud for super turbos

i searched an dsearched but couldnt find which options should be displayed in your hud playin super turbos...
VPIP and PFR is obvious...what else? and is the hud automatically adjusting to how many plrs are at the table?
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Old 04-16-2010, 11:54 AM   #120
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Re: How to setup my hud for super turbos

i also wonder about this
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Old 04-17-2010, 06:23 PM   #121
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Re: How to setup my hud for super turbos

How many tables do you play? I myself have found it very difficult to use a HUD while 12 tabling, and impossible when 16 tabling, there is just way to much going on. I play on a 17.3" Laptop so maybe if you have a large monitor or dual setup you can run it. If i could I just run VPIP and PFR and hands filtered for # of players. But most regs play a very similar style, and honestly the stats don't matter all too much. I keep notes, mostly just if they are a good reg, bad reg, or total fish and use it color coded. Also more important than a hud is to know when guys are in ATC spots, whether it be BvB or if they have a large chip lead. I tried keeping track of what min raise means on regs, but I think its kinda worthless. 95% of my min raises are misclicks, whether it be I was trying to go all in or the table just popped up. But yea if you can support the HUD go for it. IMO in terms of hourly 12 w/o HUD>8 w HUD. So I would try and max out on tables before you introduce a HUD. Although I would be curious to hear other regulars thoughts on this.
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Old 04-17-2010, 07:12 PM   #122
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Re: Discussion of HUD use for SNGs

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Old 04-17-2010, 11:16 PM   #123
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Re: Discussion of HUD use for SNGs

I just use VPIP, PFR, Att to STL and STL from SB for super turbos
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Old 05-08-2010, 11:09 AM   #124
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Re: How to setup my hud for super turbos

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How many tables do you play? I myself have found it very difficult to use a HUD while 12 tabling, and impossible when 16 tabling, there is just way to much going on. I play on a 17.3" Laptop so maybe if you have a large monitor or dual setup you can run it. If i could I just run VPIP and PFR and hands filtered for # of players. But most regs play a very similar style, and honestly the stats don't matter all too much. I keep notes, mostly just if they are a good reg, bad reg, or total fish and use it color coded. Also more important than a hud is to know when guys are in ATC spots, whether it be BvB or if they have a large chip lead. I tried keeping track of what min raise means on regs, but I think its kinda worthless. 95% of my min raises are misclicks, whether it be I was trying to go all in or the table just popped up. But yea if you can support the HUD go for it. IMO in terms of hourly 12 w/o HUD>8 w HUD. So I would try and max out on tables before you introduce a HUD. Although I would be curious to hear other regulars thoughts on this.
Hi!

good point! It's more likely you are not going to get ivolved in a lot of pots based on the players stats when multitabling more than 6 tables but I dont see why you cant continue to play your normal game with that edge of a hud...

If I am multitableing more than 6 stt at a time I use the hud in situations where Im in a doutbt whether to shove or not or resteal or not and the most important thing is i have 'M' stats for me and all other players so its faster to decide when to shove.
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Old 05-08-2010, 09:15 PM   #125
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Re: Discussion of HUD use for SNGs

Alot of players use huds while 25+ tabling. Personally I'm sick of shoving over 40% co steal players who show up with top 10% every fkn time so I'm starting to ignore most stats and just rely on it solely for bvb.
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