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Old 05-28-2009, 08:15 PM   #51
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Are you playing on Stars? It would have 20k-40k hands on you probably if you played on Full Tilt, it has less hands on stars, but still a decent amount. Are you a PE current subscriber? Also, how is the software coming along with you? It would take you a couple of months to get used to it and adjusted.
Yeah I play on Stars.. just was intrigued and downloaded it and used the trial.. also noticed its banned on stars
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Old 05-28-2009, 09:38 PM   #52
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Yeah I play on Stars.. just was intrigued and downloaded it and used the trial.. also noticed its banned on stars
Soon, reading Poker Books will be banned on Stars. It doesn't mean you can't use it tho. Poker Edge has the security, as long as you follow it the directions, you will have no problem. Oh and i would prefer Full Tilt over Stars any day tbh.
Just saying that you will have 6x more data if you played on FT, but it's still great on Stars tbh.
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Old 05-28-2009, 10:30 PM   #53
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Re: Discussion of HUD use for SNGs

Please keep discussion about actual use of stats or HUD setups, this is not a software thread so no PT3/HEM arguements, etc.
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Old 06-01-2009, 06:02 PM   #54
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Re: Discussion of HUD use for SNGs

I have a question about the HEM Hud.

I am stuck on a 15" monitor and am getting to the point where I want to start playing more than 4 tables at once. Right now if I do this the Hud's are overlapping each other and I get two different huds over one table. Is there a way to change this so the hud will stay with its correct table?

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Old 06-01-2009, 11:41 PM   #55
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Re: Discussion of HUD use for SNGs

I find that having a cash game hud is just as effective for sngs. I use vpip, pfr, hands on top. All steal/fold to steal stats on left. Aggression factors on right, and postflop tendencies on bottom. I just started using a HUD for sngs a few weeks ago, and I would say it helps me figure out how to play difficult situations.
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Old 06-02-2009, 12:03 AM   #56
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I have a question about the HEM Hud.

I am stuck on a 15" monitor and am getting to the point where I want to start playing more than 4 tables at once. Right now if I do this the Hud's are overlapping each other and I get two different huds over one table. Is there a way to change this so the hud will stay with its correct table?

thanks.
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Old 06-16-2009, 08:30 AM   #57
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Re: Discussion of HUD use for SNGs

I just came across this thread and thought it was worth a bump. In particular I'd be interested in more discussion about how people actually use and adjust their games for the stats that they use?

I guess a basic example of this is if I see someone with VPIP of 5 then I will steal from them more often; the opposite applies to someone with VPIP of 30 who is obviously very loose and is likely to call my steal... I'm also trying to incorporate re-steal situations into my game and I think that PFR is useful for this - but am I missing the main use for PFR (defining someone's raising range)?

I think that use of a HUD is a weakness in my game and something I think can add additional ROI if:

i. I have the right stats (which I think has been discussed in full in this post)
ii. I know how to use them and what adjustments to make (which I dont feel has been fully discussed here...)

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Old 06-17-2009, 12:24 AM   #58
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ii. I know how to use them and what adjustments to make (which I dont feel has been fully discussed here...)
This might be a place to start:

http://microlimitpoker.blogspot.com/...t-does-it.html

I think HUDs are invaluable tools. I don't agree with people who multi-table and say they have no use for them. It is evident that with online poker, our edge comes from understanding our opponents' betting patterns and hand ranges. If I'm playing 12 tables, eight opponents per table, there is no way I'm going to be able to keep information on 96 people in my short term memory, or have the time to write a ton of notes. Plus, my opponents are 30x30 pixel avatars and/or a 16 character name. My brain at least has a hard time linking information to them and I can easily mix up players.

But I do think there is a risk of relying too much on a HUD and not truly watching the games or following hands. I've gone through stretches where I completely lose focus of the games and make decisions based purely on my hand strength, position and HUD stats; I don't usually fair very well.
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Old 06-17-2009, 06:30 AM   #59
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But I do think there is a risk of relying too much on a HUD and not truly watching the games or following hands. I've gone through stretches where I completely lose focus of the games and make decisions based purely on my hand strength, position and HUD stats; I don't usually fair very well.
This is the reason I don't use a HUD. While think ideally a hud should help, it's very hard to not rely on it. Don't get lazy about watching showdowns, and don't overthink the stats. One could start using the stats as a "guide" for how to play a hand, when it's a clear push/fold/whatever regardless of reads.
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Old 06-17-2009, 08:18 AM   #60
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The HUD for me is more for spotting super nits and maniacs, but I try not to assume someone is a 'good' player just because they have 'good stats'.
I'll also pause for a second, and look at the according stat if a decision is in the air for me.

I personally like having a HUD and think it definitely adds to my profitability, but I can also see how it can actually be -EV for people -- not the hud itself but people misusing it -- so be careful.

how do u get the hud to filter anyways? (HEM or pt3)

don't really use HUD that much for those exact reasons. i remember p/f'ing really terribly once i saw stats up
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Old 06-17-2009, 09:53 AM   #61
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Re: Discussion of HUD use for SNGs

hud work for stacked tables?

as of this moment, PT3 vs HM?
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Old 06-17-2009, 12:23 PM   #62
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This is the reason I don't use a HUD. While think ideally a hud should help, it's very hard to not rely on it. Don't get lazy about watching showdowns, and don't overthink the stats. One could start using the stats as a "guide" for how to play a hand, when it's a clear push/fold/whatever regardless of reads.
well if you only play 4 tables, then yea that might work.... But not using if you mass table is deft -$EV

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hud work for stacked tables?

as of this moment, PT3 vs HM?
Yes it works perfectly, HM imo.
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Old 06-17-2009, 02:56 PM   #63
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Re: Discussion of HUD use for SNGs

not sayings it not -ev not to use a hud, but it will influence u to make some bad plays by looking at numbers instead of analyzing stack sizes
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Old 06-17-2009, 03:18 PM   #64
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not sayings it not -ev not to use a hud, but it will influence u to make some bad plays by looking at numbers instead of analyzing stack sizes
i guess you have leak...??
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Old 06-17-2009, 03:22 PM   #65
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not sayings it not -ev not to use a hud, but it will influence u to make some bad plays by looking at numbers instead of analyzing stack sizes
Then you're probably misusing HUD stats. Decisions are supposed to be based on a combination of factors including position, table dynamics, stack sizes, your table image and ranges you put your opponents on based on their HUD stats.
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Old 06-18-2009, 09:44 PM   #66
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Then you're probably misusing HUD stats. Decisions are supposed to be based on a combination of factors including position, table dynamics, stack sizes, your table image and ranges you put your opponents on based on their HUD stats.
u probably r misusing hud. i know i was.
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Old 06-18-2009, 10:17 PM   #67
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well if you only play 4 tables, then yea that might work.... But not using if you mass table is deft -$EV
Boku87 FTW

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Old 06-19-2009, 12:34 AM   #68
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Your reference is an anomoly, he is one of the best internet players out there.

It is apparent he isn't getting reads on his 408 opponents, he's making decisions based on position, effective stack sizes, hand strength, and the math based on placing his opponents on generic hand ranges. He's doing even less than the non-HUD users are doing. This is robot poker at its finest and most sophisticated.

I personally don't feel this is a relevant response to the HUD debate. I'm sure if Boku was playing less table at higher stakes, he would prefer a HUD over not using one.

To reiterate the sentiments of others, HUDs are intended to be used in combination with all the other information that is out there. It is not complete on to itself, and isn't meant to be. If someone, like myself at times, ends up relying too much on the HUD and creates -EV situations, it doesn't mean I shouldn't use a HUD, it means I should start focusing and use it correctly.

I don't see how anyone can reasonable say that having additional information isn't worth it, if used intelligently.

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Old 06-19-2009, 12:40 AM   #69
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u probably r misusing hud. i know i was.
Care to elaborate a bit as to how im misusing it based on what i said? thanks
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Old 06-19-2009, 03:24 AM   #70
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I personally don't feel this is a relevant response to the HUD debate. I'm sure if Boku was playing less table at higher stakes, he would prefer a HUD over not using one.
It wasn't meant to be taken as such.

I was only pointing out that a particular post was a little too much of a generalization and not 100% accurate. The fact that he is an anomaly is irrelevant.
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Old 06-21-2009, 12:03 PM   #71
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Re: Discussion of HUD use for SNGs

From what I read, I am right to assume HEM is the most-used HUD for SNGs?
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Old 06-21-2009, 12:21 PM   #72
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player
vpip/pfr/fold to 3 bet
donk bet/bet flop/cbet/fold to cbet
af/hands

Also I use different colors representing how the player is playing in each category. For example pfr is <5 green, <10 yellow, <15 red, everything else purple.
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Old 06-21-2009, 06:13 PM   #73
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I think the buy in is basically the HUD. $6 game = everyone sucks.
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Old 06-21-2009, 11:18 PM   #74
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Boku87 is most probably not using a HUD for the same reason that youtube video is not longer, he states right there that he couldn't keep recording because he couldn't 50+ table and also have the recording going on for very long. You just can't also add a program that is tracking those 50+ tables as well as reading/writing to a database and also displaying a HUD on every table at the same time.

Just a thought but prolly the most likely reason he's not using a HUD. /shrug

Boku87, you need a new computer bro!

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Old 06-23-2009, 03:45 PM   #75
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well if you only play 4 tables, then yea that might work.... But not using if you mass table is deft -$EV
I like to 9-table tiled without a hud and take my time, take lots of notes.
I really don't think a HUD is necessary software as long as you pay attention and work your brain when you play. That being said, yeah more information is more information obv.
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