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Postflop ICM considerations on the bubble with KK Postflop ICM considerations on the bubble with KK

01-23-2019 , 07:03 PM
Hey folks, I ran into an interesting post-flop spot where I wasn't sure how much ICM considerations should have affected my play. It's a $12 turbo on ACR, 126 runners, 15 paid and we're on the hard bubble, fourth in chips.

1,500/3,000 NL - Holdem - 8 players

BTN: 14.92 BB (VPIP: 36.54, PFR: 25.64, 3Bet Preflop: 21.05, Hands: 54)
SB: 15.69 BB (VPIP: 41.67, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 12)
BB: 41.32 BB (VPIP: 18.18, PFR: 19.05, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 44)
UTG: 18.46 BB (VPIP: 11.36, PFR: 4.76, 3Bet Preflop: 5.26, Hands: 44)
Hero (UTG+1): 16.25 BB
MP: 6.02 BB (VPIP: 22.00, PFR: 15.29, 3Bet Preflop: 8.57, Hands: 250)
MP+1: 3.84 BB (VPIP: 21.30, PFR: 15.25, 3Bet Preflop: 12.63, Hands: 232)
CO: 8.1 BB (VPIP: 38.71, PFR: 26.67, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 31)

8 players post ante of 0.1 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.3 BB) Hero has K K

fold, Hero raises to 2.25 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, BB calls 1.25 BB

Flop: (5.8 BB, 2 players) T 2 5
BB checks, Hero bets 3.87 BB, BB calls 3.87 BB

Turn: (13.53 BB, 2 players) 7
BB checks, Hero ??????

Obviously, there are a number of small stacks who we'd much rather be facing with our kings here, but how much should I be slowing down with a monster because we're against the chip leader on the bubble? It seems like a check here opens us up to having to make a tough decision on the river, but jamming is clearly dangerous because we're putting ourself all in on the bubble when we have a bunch of $ev in the tournament.

Feedback is appreciated, thanks!
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01-23-2019 , 09:37 PM
Hero shoves.
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01-24-2019 , 06:53 AM
Simple question. Why you cbet without plans for the turn? You are the PFR, you can manipulate the pot at will.

As played, get in in on the turn. It's no brainer, you don't wanna give free cards. Yeah ICM is a factor but you can't play kings vs BB on a not scary flop and turn with fear of being eliminated.
And you don't wanna check back turn, to call a river bluff, guessing for your tournament life
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01-24-2019 , 07:46 AM
Are you playing for first? Or to make sure you cash? You are in a position to set yourself up for a deep final table run. Take it.

It seems to me if your goal was to play for first it makes this decision much easier. An overpair on the flop with an SPR of 3, I am definitely going to the mat with this hand. You might not get an opportunity as good as this again. The only question is how. Your were the PFR so c-bet. On the turn, I don't want to give any more cards so shove.

Sure, you may lose this hand from time to time, but you are going to win it much more often.
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01-24-2019 , 10:14 AM
Generally you want to avoid tangling with the big stack when you're 4th in chips on the stone bubble but you have KK and no reason to believe you're beaten yet. You're set up perfectly for a turn shove. Maybe he'll even call with his flush draw or JT or whatever.
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01-24-2019 , 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Pouled
Simple question. Why you cbet without plans for the turn? You are the PFR, you can manipulate the pot at will.
I mean, my plan was to get it in on most turns, and I did in fact shove. It just occurred to me that opening myself up to the opportunity of busting here was possibly very bad as far as ICM was considered and made me realize I don't have a necessarily specific understanding of how I should be altering my post-flop play in these situations, or if the alteration is just that I'm way tightening up my pre-flop ranges. Just because I have a plan in the moment doesn't mean I'm not going to evaluate that plan afterward, and vice versa.

I guess using this hand is sort of a bad example of the concept because it's such a monster, but I guess I'm wondering where the threshold for that is. Do I slow down with TPTK, do I let him push me off JT?
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