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Old 09-12-2020, 09:09 PM   #1
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Call with 66 is ICM suicide?

4 handed

UTG 21000
Button 4000
SB 7500
BB 12000

UTG and Button fold

SB rips 7500 at 400/800
BB calls with 66

Short stack has been folding way too much and big stack has been way too active. SB is a seasoned SNG player while BB does not understand poker (especially SNG/ICM/Push Shove Call ranges).

How bad is the 66 call?

Slightly bad, horrible, super horrible, suicide?
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Old 09-12-2020, 09:53 PM   #2
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Re: Call with 66 is ICM suicide?

Why do reads on hero matter here??? Is this a 9 man with 50-30-20 payouts? I'm confused by this question because you are asking how bad the fish call is? Is hero in the hand at all?
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Old 09-12-2020, 11:24 PM   #3
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Re: Call with 66 is ICM suicide?

*looks around for 'not bad at all' option*
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Old 09-12-2020, 11:25 PM   #4
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Re: Call with 66 is ICM suicide?

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Short stack has been folding way too much and big stack has been way too active.
One might say the big stack has not been way too active then
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Old 09-12-2020, 11:38 PM   #5
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Re: Call with 66 is ICM suicide?

There is no hero. I was watching my buddy who called off with the 66 and I told him that is a stupid move since the small stack is prob going to blind himself off and 66 is a flip if lucky.
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Old 09-14-2020, 01:47 AM   #6
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Re: Call with 66 is ICM suicide?

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4 handed

UTG 21000
Button 4000
SB 7500
BB 12000

UTG and Button fold

SB rips 7500 at 400/800
BB calls with 66

Short stack has been folding way too much and big stack has been way too active. SB is a seasoned SNG player while BB does not understand poker (especially SNG/ICM/Push Shove Call ranges).

How bad is the 66 call?

Slightly bad, horrible, super horrible, suicide?
It's not a bad call.

I do think there's an argument for tightening up some against a reg when there's an probable ICM punter holding the shortest stack on the bubble, but calling with 66 is more than fine in that spot.
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Old 09-14-2020, 04:01 AM   #7
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Re: Call with 66 is ICM suicide?

We can't give you an answer without knowing the payouts and blind structure.
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Old 09-14-2020, 04:47 AM   #8
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Re: Call with 66 is ICM suicide?

Because of amount of chips I was not able to figure out what format this can be

Is it a 6max DoN? Horrible call
Is it 9max SNG? Can be okish...
Is it a 45man already ITM? Good call

@OP hope you get the idea...
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Old 09-20-2020, 06:15 PM   #9
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Re: Call with 66 is ICM suicide?

I can't see how 66 will be a fold.
Even for DoN this can't be "super horrible". Will be if the SB is tight or passive fish. 77 is a call here in theory.
But for "normal" SNG this is just a snap call. The problem is this guy, the chipleader. Most likely the short stack will survive this . This tools see the things "in vacuum". You will be in -EV spots after this, if you fold. But in theory this is still a good call. In reality this is a "snap call".
Yes, depends on the player, SB. But I will not fold with 66. I will not even think for a sec. As I said, "snap call".
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