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Old 09-14-2017, 05:57 PM   #1
MisterGrinder
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Bubble 3 way pot against two smaller stacks

Hi,

I'd love to have your opinion on this hand, because I really don't know what to think of it. Well, i think that I should bet the flop here, so I don't trap myself trying to trap two opponents with smaller stacks. I haven't realized on the turn that BB Effective stack after he calls on the flop is really small if I happen to lose against the BTN, I just see the opportunity to knock out two opponents here. I'm not sure I'd bet the turn if we are 5 or 6 handed, but hey, that could be a mistake too.
Anyway lots of thoughts there, involving concepts that I probalby should be more familiar with, so any advice is welcome.

Thanks in advance for your time and neurons.

    Poker Stars, $0.89 Buy-in (75/150 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 4 Players
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    Hero (CO): 4,795 (32 bb)
    BTN: 1,890 (12.6 bb)
    SB: 4,490 (29.9 bb)
    BB: 2,325 (15.5 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with 9 Q
    Hero raises to 375, BTN calls 375, SB folds, BB calls 225

    Flop: (1,200) K 3 Q (3 players)
    BB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets 1,515 and is all-in, BB calls 1,515, Hero calls 1,515

    Turn: (5,745) 7 (3 players, 1 is all-in)
    BB checks, Hero bets 2,905 and is all-in, BB folds

    River: (5,745) A (2 players, 2 are all-in)

    Spoiler:

    Last edited by MisterGrinder; 09-14-2017 at 06:19 PM. Reason: Trying to use my brain
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    Old 09-14-2017, 07:36 PM   #2
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    Re: Bubble 3 way pot : did we all play it bad ?

    On a scale of 0 to 10 where 10 means good:

    Hero: 10
    BB: ?
    BTN: LOL

    Why do you want to bet flop? (Probably) Only better hands continue and u're not especially afraid of any turn apart from the non heart Aces.
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    Old 09-15-2017, 02:07 AM   #3
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    Re: Bubble 3 way pot against two smaller stacks

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    Originally Posted by MisterGrinder View Post
    Hi,

    I'd love to have your opinion on this hand, because I really don't know what to think of it. Well, i think that I should bet the flop here, so I don't trap myself trying to trap two opponents with smaller stacks. I haven't realized on the turn that BB Effective stack after he calls on the flop is really small if I happen to lose against the BTN, I just see the opportunity to knock out two opponents here. I'm not sure I'd bet the turn if we are 5 or 6 handed, but hey, that could be a mistake too.
    Anyway lots of thoughts there, involving concepts that I probalby should be more familiar with, so any advice is welcome.

    Thanks in advance for your time and neurons.

      Poker Stars, $0.89 Buy-in (75/150 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 4 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      Hero (CO): 4,795 (32 bb)
      BTN: 1,890 (12.6 bb)
      SB: 4,490 (29.9 bb)
      BB: 2,325 (15.5 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is CO with 9 Q
      Hero raises to 375, BTN calls 375, SB folds, BB calls 225

      Flop: (1,200) K 3 Q (3 players)
      BB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets 1,515 and is all-in, BB calls 1,515, Hero calls 1,515

      Turn: (5,745) 7 (3 players, 1 is all-in)
      BB checks, Hero bets 2,905 and is all-in, BB folds

      River: (5,745) A (2 players, 2 are all-in)

      Spoiler:
      You probably played it perfectly since you got the button to pot bet all-in with a bluff you wouldn't have gotten value from otherwise. Obviously, you don't play this hand to ever fold this flop, yet you're rarely getting a fold from a K-x, so checking isn't bad at all. Since you're the big stack, you're happy to play this hand like it's a cash game, a.k.a. induce bluffs or play a big pot as a 51% favourite. Very read-dependent hand, but well-played IMO.
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      Old 09-16-2017, 12:24 PM   #4
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      Re: Bubble 3 way pot : did we all play it bad ?

      Thank you guys a lot. It's conforting ! You're both right about the flop decision, a bet is not necessary.

      I wrote "seemed like a good plan" in the chatbox afterwards. I'm glad you guys confirm it. See ya !

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      Old 09-19-2017, 05:29 PM   #5
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      Re: Bubble 3 way pot : did we all play it bad ?

      I would consider folding pre. If I'm shortstack on button, sb, or bb I have a pretty big 3 bet jam range because of bubble psychology leveling. Since you can't call a jam, you might as well fold into the money. On the other hand, if the short stacks have also have a "fold into the money" mindset then its good to raise pre-flop. So read dependent?

      I like the check call on the flop. Their betting range is bigger than their calling range, and we want to keep their range wide for the all in.

      Hope this all makes sense, feels a bit rambling...

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      Old 09-29-2017, 10:44 AM   #6
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      Re: Bubble 3 way pot : did we all play it bad ?

      I would fold pre. BTN and BB are going to re-jam a wide range of hands.

      BTN: jam or fold
      BB: jam or fold

      You can play push-or-fold in this situation, but I think Q9s would be fold? (not sure)
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      Old 09-29-2017, 10:58 AM   #7
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      Re: Bubble 3 way pot against two smaller stacks

      Folding pre is a huge mistake. What range would u want to open if u fold a hand as good as this?
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      Old 09-29-2017, 12:24 PM   #8
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      Re: Bubble 3 way pot against two smaller stacks

      Quote:
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      Folding pre is a huge mistake. What range would u want to open if u fold a hand as good as this?
      ICMizer (FGS 5) says:

      Hero push: JJ+, AKs, AK

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      Old 09-29-2017, 01:31 PM   #9
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      Re: Bubble 3 way pot against two smaller stacks

      U should prob not openjam any hand in that spot, Def none on those u mentioned
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