No reads on either villains

Do we like shoving or folding here

What is the definate range for shoving?

PokerStars - 35000/70000 Ante 8750 NL - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BB): 1,183,762
UTG: 3,302,202 (VPIP: 42.86, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
UTG+1: 1,473,350 (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
MP: 544,960 (VPIP: 26.67, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 31)
CO: 1,052,369 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
BTN: 875,163 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
SB: 1,204,907 (VPIP: 30.00, PFR: 22.00, 3Bet Preflop: 25.00, Hands: 50)

7 players post ante of 8,750, SB posts SB 35,000, Hero posts BB 70,000

Pre Flop: (pot: 166,250) Hero has Q A

fold, UTG+1 raises to 175,000, MP raises to 536,210 and is all-in, fold, fold, fold, [color=red]Hero

This shallow, MP has way too many low pocket pairs and worse aces to fold here, and you're almost definitely ahead of UTG+1's opening range with AQs as well.

Against an 8BB shove it's a slam-dunk shove, because you're way ahead of both ranges, the UTG+1 is going to be opening a lot of Ax and small pocket pairs that you crush or are flipping against, plus you have good fold equity.

Are we sure about these ranges when this deep in a major tournament against Recs?

I think I’m going with AJs 77+. It’s deep in a major sure but it’s $3 and villains stats are not nitty

I thought this was really close but I think it's a pretty clear shove. MP has been very aggressive in a small sample but he has to realize he has little fold equity against the early opener, not to mention the rest of the players behind. So he shouldn't be making this move too lightly.

Let's say we give MP 44+/AJ+/ATs+/KQs. We're about 48% against that range but the dead money makes it a clear call (we only need 35% given the pot odds). Even against a tighter range its a clear call. MP has to be shoving as tight as TT+/AK for this to be a fold. There is some risk the original raiser has a strong range and goes with his hand too, but if you shove he can only call with the absolute top of his range given the action.

It's a lot closer than you guys think, I know if I'm in this spot I fold

probably TT+ AK

Your insane. AQ is a high five your monitor do a backflip get your chips in

I was going to drop it but I seem to be the only one on this side of the fence so I’ll enlighten you.

61M chips (12200 runners), 45 players remain
UTG+1 opens ATo+, A8s+, KTs+, KQo, QTs+, JTs, 44+
HJ shoves AJo, 55+, A9s+, KQs

UTG+1 calls AJo, ATs, 66+

We run it and get -0.05%, significantly bad

And if you think these ranges are tight remember we had 12 thousand runners, players aren’t lining up to pile their chips in w A9s


Good talk

as a side note players stack sizes and table size don't really make a ton of sense here, 45 players is 5 full tables, maybe 35 players on a sunday would make sense but the runners in this tourney is like 4k on a normal day don't know how it runs on a sunday

I think your calling range for utg is way too loose. You really think he's calling off a shove and reshove with 66 or AJ? More realistically something like JJ+/AQs+/AK, and AQs is questionable.

yeah.. that will change things a bit i'll adjust and try again in a couple min here

so I put it down to just JJ+ AK/AKs and we're at +0.01% put AQs in there and it's at zero.

still not a good spot to be gambling in imo

Surprised

BB is 70k not 60k, your calculations are all wrong and both players ranges are wider

THANKS FOR THE ENLIGHTENMENT BRO

Chill "bro", nobody likes a new person showing up and disrespecting everyone.

Thanks for the ICMizer shots, not enough raw calcs in these threads.

I'm going with this hand though, diamonds are my favourite and the new excuse...future game.

imo
Equity Win Tie
UTG 32.40% 30.22% 2.18% { 55+, ATs+, KJs+, AJo+ }
MP1 39.50% 36.28% 3.23% { 77+, AQs+, AQo+ }
BB 28.10% 24.26% 3.84% { AQs }

it's a 3$ turbo and you give him 77+AQ+ ? He probably has like 22+/JTo+/QTo+/K9o+/Q2s+/K2s+/A3o+/67s+ or something. Also don't assume UTG is playing super tight on a 3$ turbo, in doubt you should assume people play way too many hands and have no idea what they're doing because it's a 3$ tournament.

AQs is the nuts here, we should reshove something like AJo+/ATs+/88+/KJs+/KQo.

The guy spoke down to me and offered to ‘enlighten me’ followed by a ‘good talk’ and his stats/ranges are all wrong. What you mean is no one likes a new person showing up and being smarter than them. Bro.

I've noticed a bunch of your posts have an arrogant and dismissive tone to them. The point of the forum is to discuss hands and learn from other perspectives, not to show how smart you are.

you told me I was "insane"! lol this whole thread is turning into a pissing contest.

I think you underestimate how much people nit up in the late stages of these things to make the FT

Regardless, shoving cant be too bad and neither is folding. The key here is to take a bit more time and think about theses spots before we shovel our chips in.

Quoting the buyin as a reason why people are wider here is the opposite of the truth. People are generally far tighter than they should be deep in micro turbos. Yes, people will turn up with some weird hands occasionally but assuming that they are getting it in wide when we are readless is just going to lose us money.

In general it's going to be better to be nittier in spots like this and be wider in spots where we can exploit people's tight calling ranges.

Captain-Hindsight's ranges are far more realistic. I'd get in ~AQ/88.