Two Plus Two Publishing LLC Two Plus Two Publishing LLC
 

Go Back   Two Plus Two Poker Forums > >

Notices

STT Strategy Discussion about the play of single table tournaments.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 12-04-2017, 09:18 AM   #26
Colinb7
grinder
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 567
Re: A8 in BB, 16bb, limped pot

Quote:
Originally Posted by LeaksSuck View Post
If this is 9m I have a six figure sample of em so I kinda have a feeling for what ranges ppl usually openlimp in these. Greater Ax than A8 are usually not a huge or better: "rarely any" part of it and apart from the few pp u kinda like to get it in vs the rest and also enjoy quite of a lot of "fold-fold-receive 350bb/100". Highly doubt anyone can print the same with checking and raising some std sizing really sucks. You get flatted a lot and end up with 1-2 SPR playing oop vs up to 2 villains that will often call wider than they should (indicated by being willing to l/c pre) and get u in very problematic spots (basically any where u don't hit an A or an 8 high flop hands.
I like this answer. Backed up by stats and database analysis. Human brain always remembers the one time you were up against AA and forgets the 10 where everyone folded!
Colinb7 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2017, 10:56 AM   #27
p2 dog, p2
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 6,953
Re: A8 in BB, 16bb, limped pot

Quote:
Originally Posted by Darth_Maul View Post
Man this forum is a ghost town...

Sent from my SM-G920W8 using Tapatalk
it's hard to give out free strat. why is any proven winning player going to spit mad advice for free and crush his bottom line or even incline a donkey to think about something differently(not calling you the donkey but thousands of observers)

Spoiler:
p2 dog, p2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2017, 11:08 AM   #28
Darth_Maul
veteran
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 2,150
Re: A8 in BB, 16bb, limped pot

Quote:
Originally Posted by p2 dog, p2 View Post
it's hard to give out free strat. why is any proven winning player going to spit mad advice for free and crush his bottom line or even incline a donkey to think about something differently(not calling you the donkey but thousands of observers)

Spoiler:
I can understand that rationale for higher stakes players, where the player pool is so much smaller. But in the micro/small stakes the 2+2 community represents a drop in the player pool bucket. Sharing knowledge with a couple dozen people who read this forum isn't going to hurt your bottom line.

It's kind of sad to see these once vibrant communities dry up as people become protective of their knowledge. For micro stakes players who can't afford expensive coaching resources and may not have their own group of player-friends to discuss hands with, the forums still represent the best way to gain a deeper understanding of the game.

Sent from my SM-G920W8 using Tapatalk
Darth_Maul is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2017, 12:01 PM   #29
LeaksSuck
old hand
 
LeaksSuck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 1,831
Re: A8 in BB, 16bb, limped pot

Quote:
Originally Posted by p2 dog, p2 View Post
it's hard to give out free strat. why is any proven winning player going to spit mad advice for free and crush his bottom line or even incline a donkey to think about something differently(not calling you the donkey but thousands of observers)
Fairness for others giving advice in the past is my motivation to post at times. It's not like it will improves the population, those who wanna learn poker learn with coaching, videos etc. anyway, probably not by reading 2+2 threads (I guess), will just help the OP and the few dudes browsing the whole forum these days.

Quote:
Originally Posted by p2 dog, p2 View Post
Spoiler:
LeaksSuck is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2017, 03:19 PM   #30
Allluck97c
newbie
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 37
Re: A8 in BB, 16bb, limped pot

Quote:
Originally Posted by LeaksSuck View Post
Fairness for others giving advice in the past is my motivation to post at times. It's not like it will improves the population, those who wanna learn poker learn with coaching, videos etc. anyway, probably not by reading 2+2 threads (I guess), will just help the OP and the few dudes browsing the whole forum these days.



Alright, I know I'm posting in an online forum. Bit I was paying with one internet player from ours town. Was a hunch and asked and was right. So does a certain type of play style induce a shove table. Meaning I raise and it's rather a fold or shove. It was getting annoying but couldn't really change it, **** talk, leave comeback, offer drinks etc. Is there a way to change my play or table play with that? I mean live you can't really change tables that easy, it was a +ev 6-8 Max 3/6 game that evolved to 4/8 with side bets. I was ahead but variance was crazy and people going hulk smash. Or is that the type of game that is desirable. It was suppose to be limit but wasn't really limit BTW??

Sent from my N9136 using Tapatalk
Allluck97c is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2017, 07:17 PM   #31
LektorAJ
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
LektorAJ's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2014
Location: HK/Macau
Posts: 6,188
Re: A8 in BB, 16bb, limped pot

I think you get better by working on other people's spots. Reading the forum isn't enough. While you could prepare responses then simply not post them, it wouldn't be the same and you would also miss out on feedback.
LektorAJ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2017, 08:21 PM   #32
fasterlearner
journeyman
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 394
Re: A8 in BB, 16bb, limped pot

I feel like this is a shove or check spot.

I don't know there can be a right answer because it all depends
on the limpers.

If I limp middle position, you best never ever shove this.

IF a 90 VP fish limps, shove is probably correct 100% of time.

But for this particular opponent, who knows ?
fasterlearner is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2017, 10:48 PM   #33
p2 dog, p2
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 6,953
Re: A8 in BB, 16bb, limped pot

Quote:
Originally Posted by Darth_Maul View Post
Sharing knowledge with a couple dozen people who read this forum isn't going to hurt your bottom line.
500+ views on this thread so far alone.

Anyway, it's very easy to subscribe to ICMizer and input some ranges for your opponents in the original post, then u get 100% real feedback based on your inputs. You don't even have to come to the forums and get general answers that may be wrong or may be right, with Mizer you get answers.

anyway, I don't want to come in sounding like the prick and I have given out info but when I have to be honest and realistic it is simply dumb to do it, just like showing your cards when you don't have to. Keep searching for answers and working on your game, absolutely, but I think there is a reason forums are drying up as a whole(poker ones).
p2 dog, p2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2017, 10:57 PM   #34
Allluck97c
newbie
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 37
Re: A8 in BB, 16bb, limped pot

Quote:
Originally Posted by LeaksSuck View Post
Pardon? I don't understand your description of what ilsildur does and I'm pretty sure he does not play 888poker 9m tourneys either
I don't know lol, he a good player so just mentioned him A8 in BB, 16bb, limped pot

Sent from my N9136 using Tapatalk
Allluck97c is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 12-07-2017, 04:04 AM   #35
Allluck97c
newbie
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 37
Re: A8 in BB, 16bb, limped pot

"Online" "thread" and 3/6-4/8 HL L

Sent from my N9136 using Tapatalk
Allluck97c is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 12-07-2017, 09:40 AM   #36
Darth_Maul
veteran
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 2,150
Re: A8 in BB, 16bb, limped pot

Quote:
Originally Posted by p2 dog, p2 View Post
500+ views on this thread so far alone.

Anyway, it's very easy to subscribe to ICMizer and input some ranges for your opponents in the original post, then u get 100% real feedback based on your inputs. You don't even have to come to the forums and get general answers that may be wrong or may be right, with Mizer you get answers.

anyway, I don't want to come in sounding like the prick and I have given out info but when I have to be honest and realistic it is simply dumb to do it, just like showing your cards when you don't have to. Keep searching for answers and working on your game, absolutely, but I think there is a reason forums are drying up as a whole(poker ones).
I don't actually come to the forums to get answers, the value is in seeing how other people look at a situation and the dialogue that ensues when people have different opinions. And there is value in that no matter how experienced you are. You don't think the world's best pros discuss hands and continue to work on their games? If people don't contribute to forums either because (1) they think they have all the answers and don't want to share; or (2) they don't think they have anything to learn from discussing hands with other people, they're the ones with the problem.

Sent from my SM-G920W8 using Tapatalk
Darth_Maul is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-08-2017, 12:28 AM   #37
p2 dog, p2
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 6,953
Re: A8 in BB, 16bb, limped pot

Quote:
Originally Posted by Darth_Maul View Post
a) Check and see a flop?
b) Shove?
c) Standard raise?
not after answers? why did u ask three questions in your OP? u stated that those with the answers who don't want to share them have a problem. why or how do they have a problem? and yes, there is plenty to learn from discussing hands, there is also a lot to teach.

U stated this forum is a ghost town or someone did and I chimed in as to why I think it's that way, an opinion, that's all. I'm done bickering.
p2 dog, p2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-08-2017, 09:35 AM   #38
Darth_Maul
veteran
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 2,150
Re: A8 in BB, 16bb, limped pot

Quote:
Originally Posted by p2 dog, p2 View Post
u stated that those with the answers who don't want to share them have a problem. why or how do they have a problem?
No I didn't, I said that people who think they have all the answers have a problem. That implies they think they have it all figured out and have nothing to learn.

Quote:
U stated this forum is a ghost town or someone did and I chimed in as to why I think it's that way, an opinion, that's all. I'm done bickering.
I don't know if it's a consequence of the texting generation but it's remarkable to me how many people on these forums seem unable to engage in a discussion with anyone who disagrees with them. But I guess that's because some people come to these forums to express their opinions and aren't interested in different perspectives.


Sent from my SM-G920W8 using Tapatalk
Darth_Maul is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-08-2017, 12:23 PM   #39
LeaksSuck
old hand
 
LeaksSuck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 1,831
Re: A8 in BB, 16bb, limped pot

Quote:
Originally Posted by Darth_Maul View Post
No I didn't, I said that people who think they have all the answers have a problem. That implies they think they have it all figured out and have nothing to learn.
Nah, it's just that the spots posted here are often not that tough to play for players who see not much value in studying rnd micro/lowstakes SnG spots with the players who ask the questions. If someone steps in he usually does it to help and give some food for thought and each time when seeing the replies thinks "why was I doing that again?"

Have fun playing A8o 3way oop and crushing them with your sick understanding of postflop play, *gigglesmiley*
LeaksSuck is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-10-2017, 04:56 PM   #40
Ronny Mahoni
Pooh-Bah
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Rizzle Kicking
Posts: 4,023
Re: A8 in BB, 16bb, limped pot

An open and collaborative society will always trump a protective one. Its not even close. But I understand how for the individual it might not look like it, especially in a society that embraces a culture in which individual gain is embraced. Very unfortunate state of affairs. (If you cant tell this is a general society critique, not only our poker subsociety.)



On to some poker:

So I tried to figure this spot out using ICMizer, but I couldnt figure out my limping EV.

Im in the shove camp and also dont think its close.
Unless we wanna talk about half stack raise -> shove most flops, which might be better or very close.

But I have never checked how profitable checking/various non-ai raises might be.
Ronny Mahoni is offline   Reply With Quote

Reply
      

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:24 PM.


Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © 2008-2017, Two Plus Two Interactive
 
 
Poker Players - Streaming Live Online