I like this answer. Backed up by stats and database analysis. Human brain always remembers the one time you were up against AA and forgets the 10 where everyone folded!

it's hard to give out free strat. why is any proven winning player going to spit mad advice for free and crush his bottom line or even incline a donkey to think about something differently(not calling you the donkey but thousands of observers)

I can understand that rationale for higher stakes players, where the player pool is so much smaller. But in the micro/small stakes the 2+2 community represents a drop in the player pool bucket. Sharing knowledge with a couple dozen people who read this forum isn't going to hurt your bottom line.

It's kind of sad to see these once vibrant communities dry up as people become protective of their knowledge. For micro stakes players who can't afford expensive coaching resources and may not have their own group of player-friends to discuss hands with, the forums still represent the best way to gain a deeper understanding of the game.

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Fairness for others giving advice in the past is my motivation to post at times. It's not like it will improves the population, those who wanna learn poker learn with coaching, videos etc. anyway, probably not by reading 2+2 threads (I guess), will just help the OP and the few dudes browsing the whole forum these days.

Alright, I know I'm posting in an online forum. Bit I was paying with one internet player from ours town. Was a hunch and asked and was right. So does a certain type of play style induce a shove table. Meaning I raise and it's rather a fold or shove. It was getting annoying but couldn't really change it, **** talk, leave comeback, offer drinks etc. Is there a way to change my play or table play with that? I mean live you can't really change tables that easy, it was a +ev 6-8 Max 3/6 game that evolved to 4/8 with side bets. I was ahead but variance was crazy and people going hulk smash. Or is that the type of game that is desirable. It was suppose to be limit but wasn't really limit BTW??

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I think you get better by working on other people's spots. Reading the forum isn't enough. While you could prepare responses then simply not post them, it wouldn't be the same and you would also miss out on feedback.

I feel like this is a shove or check spot.

I don't know there can be a right answer because it all depends
on the limpers.

If I limp middle position, you best never ever shove this.

IF a 90 VP fish limps, shove is probably correct 100% of time.

But for this particular opponent, who knows ?

500+ views on this thread so far alone.

Anyway, it's very easy to subscribe to ICMizer and input some ranges for your opponents in the original post, then u get 100% real feedback based on your inputs. You don't even have to come to the forums and get general answers that may be wrong or may be right, with Mizer you get answers.

anyway, I don't want to come in sounding like the prick and I have given out info but when I have to be honest and realistic it is simply dumb to do it, just like showing your cards when you don't have to. Keep searching for answers and working on your game, absolutely, but I think there is a reason forums are drying up as a whole(poker ones).

I don't know lol, he a good player so just mentioned him

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"Online" "thread" and 3/6-4/8 HL L

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I don't actually come to the forums to get answers, the value is in seeing how other people look at a situation and the dialogue that ensues when people have different opinions. And there is value in that no matter how experienced you are. You don't think the world's best pros discuss hands and continue to work on their games? If people don't contribute to forums either because (1) they think they have all the answers and don't want to share; or (2) they don't think they have anything to learn from discussing hands with other people, they're the ones with the problem.

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not after answers? why did u ask three questions in your OP? u stated that those with the answers who don't want to share them have a problem. why or how do they have a problem? and yes, there is plenty to learn from discussing hands, there is also a lot to teach.

U stated this forum is a ghost town or someone did and I chimed in as to why I think it's that way, an opinion, that's all. I'm done bickering.

No I didn't, I said that people who think they have all the answers have a problem. That implies they think they have it all figured out and have nothing to learn.

I don't know if it's a consequence of the texting generation but it's remarkable to me how many people on these forums seem unable to engage in a discussion with anyone who disagrees with them. But I guess that's because some people come to these forums to express their opinions and aren't interested in different perspectives.


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Nah, it's just that the spots posted here are often not that tough to play for players who see not much value in studying rnd micro/lowstakes SnG spots with the players who ask the questions. If someone steps in he usually does it to help and give some food for thought and each time when seeing the replies thinks "why was I doing that again?"

Have fun playing A8o 3way oop and crushing them with your sick understanding of postflop play, *gigglesmiley*

An open and collaborative society will always trump a protective one. Its not even close. But I understand how for the individual it might not look like it, especially in a society that embraces a culture in which individual gain is embraced. Very unfortunate state of affairs. (If you cant tell this is a general society critique, not only our poker subsociety.)



On to some poker:

So I tried to figure this spot out using ICMizer, but I couldnt figure out my limping EV.

Im in the shove camp and also dont think its close.
Unless we wanna talk about half stack raise -> shove most flops, which might be better or very close.

But I have never checked how profitable checking/various non-ai raises might be.