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Originally Posted by Cptn.CalicoJack
Hey buddy , 1st of all there is an option at Icmizer and you can adjust your opponents ranges..For example..if the BB is a Maniac caller playing 70% vpip i can go and adjust that on icmizer instead of lets say having a 40% calling range on the BB..and it shows you the mathematically correct shoves...
I know that, and I guess you know that, but I figured there's a possibility he needs to think about it more, so I was just throwing it out there. I've seen plenty of people use ICMizer and have absolutely zero awareness of it. I hope he doesn't take it as a slight - for all I know it's not an issue whatsoever.
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Originally Posted by Cptn.CalicoJack
Also taking notes on opponents and adjusting your game to them is helpful too...I mean if you have an edge over your opponents it's not of a big deal to let some slightly +ev spots , but in the long run i think playing according to Icmizer is the most profitable play.
We don't disagree. A lot of what makes "optimal" shoving ranges "work" is the assumption of a rational opponent though... ...and, well, I'm sure you've played in the micros (no shortage of "irrational" stuff). I don't recommend deviating too much, and your point is well taken, but I do think it makes sense to play a bit more "exploitatively" in the smaller stakes. Ultimately, he'll have to do the hard work of looking into his ranges, his opponents, and seeing where it makes sense to shift a little off of what ICMizer says.
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Originally Posted by Cptn.CalicoJack
About the call-folding players, what you say makes perfect sense...and its a good strategy to outplay the postflop...the problem is that at 9man turbos the most of the time you are pretty shortstacked and then playing postflop costs you a lot of value...For example lets say you are on the bubble in the Sb 12bbs deep and the BB is loose passive with 13bbs .. you got A10o and you raise to 2bbs..he calls and the flop is Q-5-8 rainbow...if you cbet and get called you are in a very bad situation..if you have pushed it would be like 10x better...
You hinted at this earlier, pointing out the variance, which is absolutely a big deal with the turbos (it's more than possible that the OP is playing fine and just happens to be going through a big break-even stretch - I can't say for sure). It's true that a lot of the time your stack (especially in turbo formats) just doesn't give you the latitude to get too creative and you're just going to have to shove and eat the swings.
There's also the simple fact that playing a 10-15 BB stack is just flat out
difficult a lot of the time, turbo or not. There's some different stuff he can try (you can definitely limp-stab pretty successfully with some players, for instance). To clarify, again, I'm not recommending major shifts from standard pushing strategy - I was just throwing out the idea that micro opponents are often making mistakes where you can sometimes get away from it and attack them more effectively with smallball.