Hi guys this is Sunday Storm on stars last week, i call a bet from UTg a loose player ho likes to open a lot. His stat s looks like Vpip 26/PFR 22. 55 steal, his pfr from EP is big on a sample of 69 hands. He has a good stack, so do i and i call him from Sb with 9-8suited. 3 way pot . Otf i catch top pair and decide to know where i am with a bet. I get a call from de initial raiser. OTT i check and he decide to bet, i call him. OTR he fire another bullet. Call or fold?

[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $10 Buy-in (150/300 blinds, 30 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
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Hero (SB): 17,716 (59.1 bb)
BB: 9,476 (31.6 bb)
UTG+1: 10,757 (35.9 bb)
UTG+2: 26,106 (87 bb)
MP1: 11,539 (38.5 bb)
MP2: 23,110 (77 bb)
MP3: 20,557 (68.5 bb)
CO: 2,913 (9.7 bb)
BTN: 4,261 (14.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9 8
UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 raises to 663, 5 folds, Hero calls 513, BB calls 363

Flop: (2,259) 6 8 2 (3 players)
Hero bets 994, BB folds, UTG+2 calls 994

Turn: (4,247) T (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 bets 2,378, Hero calls 2,378

River: (9,003) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 bets 4,355, [color="grey"]Hero ????

Not really sure why you would call from the SB, and even worse, you donk bet the flop. What are you expecting here exactly?

You say you feel he is opening wide from EP but his range is probably still much higher than yours here and you are out of position and now faced with a difficult spot where you have called off 2 streets with a pair of 8's.

If it were me and I called from the SB, which I probably wouldnt have:

Check call the flop with top pair - backdoor flush draw.

Turn: Here you missed an additional heart but picked up a gut shot, still the fact that he is firing again we can evaluate:

2 pairs are probably not part of his range here, sets are unlikely as a LAG player would have probably raised the flop on your bet, even with a loose player here we can gather firing 2 streets he has 99+ A10+ etc

It is possible he is just a complete maniac barreling absolutely nothing but again I am not sure what you put yourself in this situation with 89s out of position, I would probably fold to the turn because we cant call a river bet here unless with make the straight, look for a better spot etc.

Don't bet just to "find out where you are." You bet for value or as a bluff. Besides, a loose player will call a bet on that flop with a good deal of his range so betting doesn't really help you narrow his range. All you've done is juiced the pot with a vulnerable hand out of position.

I think in this spot I check and hope to pick up some more equity on the turn. Heads-up it might be a good spot for a x/r but I'm not sure about it 3-way. Although it could be a good way to isolate the loose villain if he bets and then you x/r before BB acts again.

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...start with a check/call and see a cheap turn. You have a bluffcatcher out of position, so your main goal should be to keep the potsize small.

If u dont bet flop imo, the raiser could bet with nothing. By me betting and he 's calling he must have something. probably a piece of the flop or a draw and and a unlikely set. He also could be floating with air to and saw me check the turn and could be betting with nothing. Not sure what line is good, what line is bad. C/r is out of the question, tough spot.

and i call ott because versus agg players i wanna call more because there ranges is much much wider.

You contradicted yourself here,"he must have something"/ "he could also be floating with air" so by donking you don't really know what he has.All you know is that if he folds you made a worst hand fold that's no good

"If u dont bet flop imo, the raiser could bet with nothing." Thats great!! let him bet with nothing then

That doesn't really matter when you put yourself in tough spots in bloated pots. You end up making mistakes that cost you a lot of chips.


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dont mind pre with these stacks.

Yes just x/c flop, donk bets look really weak because people seldom do it when they are at the top of their range, like do you donk sets or 2p combos here? you most likely check and get a bet out of one of your opponents first. This invites heaps of floats as thy think they can take it away from you turn/river as your range is not very strong.

Also we have great backdoor equity with hearts and middle cards for straights, don't want to be blown off any equity here.

Against a very loose player you could even potentially call x3 times oop on this run out

Don't take this the wrong way, it is genuinely intended to be helpful. Based on the posts you've made I think you really have to work on the fundamentals of tourney play. You're making a lot of basic mistakes (like opening ranges) and don't seem to have a good grasp of important concepts (like postflop betting). Take some time to read through discussions in this forum and you'll get a sense of what you have to learn.

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thank you all for posts

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