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11-19-2017 , 07:52 PM
Hey, I'm interested as to what people think I should be doing otf here. I think flatting is the best line if this was cash. Given it's a sng I figured shoving was best as flatting this bet oft and folding ott is out of the question. Thanks in advance.

Villain 206 hands: 58/4/1.2/4.3

Poker Stars, $5 Buy-in (10/20 blinds, 3 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 6 Players

CO: 1,117 (55.9 bb)
Hero (BTN): 1,487 (74.4 bb)
SB: 1,477 (73.9 bb)
BB: 1,497 (74.9 bb)
UTG: 1,497 (74.9 bb)
MP: 1,925 (96.3 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with A T
UTG calls 20, MP calls 20, CO calls 20, Hero raises to 120, SB calls 110, 2 folds, MP calls 100, CO calls 100

Flop: (538) A 3 6 (4 players)
SB checks, MP bets 540, CO folds, Hero raises to 1,364 and is all-in, SB folds, MP calls 824

Last edited by SharkytheFish; 11-19-2017 at 07:52 PM. Reason: typo
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11-22-2017 , 11:58 AM
I'd still flat, you aren't folding turn anyway but you want him to go all in against you on turn with as wide a range as possible - including hands which this line will fold out. If he has a set it'll all go in whatever, so it doesn't matter.
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11-26-2017 , 12:53 PM
It's likely he has somewhere from A2s to A8s something like that. Possible to have limped with 45s. If he was very strong he would most often check raise. I would shove.
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11-26-2017 , 07:10 PM
In order to fold out weak aces?

We can get more money off his weaker hands by taking it slower.
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11-26-2017 , 07:24 PM
If that 4.3 stat is postflop AF, just flat and let him barrel turn =)
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11-27-2017 , 08:36 AM
I don't think he would fold a weaker Ace if we shove.
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11-27-2017 , 09:10 AM
I’m in the flatting camp. Never folding.
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11-27-2017 , 09:37 AM
Easy shove. Villain is super fishy and bet almost pot for 1/3 his stack, he's not folding whatever he has. And if you're behind 2p or a set you want to see turn and river.

If you flat, whiff on the turn, and he shoves, are you folding the turn?

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11-27-2017 , 09:38 AM
Oh, and first level I'm just limping behind 3 limpers with ATs.

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11-27-2017 , 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by NiallOBrien
I don't think he would fold a weaker Ace if we shove.
Fair enough, but what are you hoping he folds then? Or alternatively, what do you think stacks off to our shove that won't shove itself on the flop or call our turn shove?

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Originally Posted by Darth_Maul
If you flat, whiff on the turn, and he shoves, are you folding the turn?
No, never.

The whole point is to get it in against the extra hands that would do that but don't have odds to call our shove.

I agree that against quite a bit of his range it doesn't matter who puts it in.
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11-27-2017 , 10:01 AM
I don't think it matters either way, he's likely stacking off regardless and you're calling the turn anyway.

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11-27-2017 , 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by NiallOBrien
I don't think he would fold a weaker Ace if we shove.
But he is folding his air which he is likely going to barrel ott cause he's aggro.
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11-27-2017 , 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by LeaksSuck
But he is folding his air which he is likely going to barrel ott cause he's aggro.
You think he's betting pot into 3 opponents with air?

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11-27-2017 , 01:15 PM
With some probability yes sure, have seen pop doing weirder things a lot
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11-27-2017 , 03:19 PM
He may also have a weaker flush draw that doesn't know it's drawing to runner-runner.
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11-28-2017 , 04:36 AM
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Originally Posted by LeaksSuck
With some probability yes sure, have seen pop doing weirder things a lot
I agree there's some chance villain has air or a hand tantamount to air [low pp/3rd pair] in this spot. I like to think I know the sng players at this level and you do see some daft plays. Given this action against an unknown, I'm inclined to give villain credit for the upper end of his range [TPTK+]. In hindisght I think shoving is good as he rarely makes this bet with a hand he can fold to a shove. Shoving guarantees me turn and river cards as well.

Thanks for the replies.
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11-28-2017 , 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by SharkytheFish
In hindisght I think shoving is good as he rarely makes this bet with a hand he can fold to a shove.
You're missing the bit that says "whereas if I merely flat call and he has one of those hands...."

Your getting it in against the top of his range whatever happens - question is how to get it in against as many other hands as possible.

If we could really be that sure he has TPTK+ then we would just fold flop.
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