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11-19-2018 , 12:03 PM
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hi guys here we have an interestinh spot..villain has got vpip18 pfr15 3bet6,3 on 112 hands.. i think he is tight and i have seen this..so what do you think? thank you

Poker Stars, $2.28 Buy-in (2,500/5,000 blinds, 500 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 4 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

Hero (SB): 71,193 (14.2 bb)
BB: 38,662 (7.7 bb)
CO: 102,954 (20.6 bb)
BTN: 57,191 (11.4 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 6s 4s
2 folds, HEROO? shove or fold?
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11-26-2018 , 10:05 AM
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Shove.
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11-26-2018 , 02:14 PM
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Shove.
niceeee.i have shoved..uragnatha can you explain one thing that i havent understood..lets say we are playing sngs 180man turbo and we have got icmizer for calcuation. in all the tournament i i use to do calcuation with chip ev until i have left last 3or 4 .then im doing calcuation with icm%ev because my chips has got value on money..right??? i will wait for your response
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11-27-2018 , 08:46 AM
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Every finish position on final table has money jumps, so you should be using ICM rather than chip ev.
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11-29-2018 , 09:58 AM
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Every finish position on final table has money jumps, so you should be using ICM rather than chip ev.
yes but i think for example on the 1.5 45 man the 7th of 6th place is only 1,53$ (6 th 3,67 ,7th 2,14) so i wonder if is more usefull to use the chip ev in place of icm%ev..if we left 2 or 3 players we can use icm%ev thens. what you think?
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11-30-2018 , 08:37 AM
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There was an interesting post on here somewhere about ICM factors, and much should be considered at each money jump. From memory most actually have the same factor. The highest ratios where actually found at 45 man, with the 7th place finish being the highest of ratios. So, ICM should be considered more at this point than 1st v 2nd!
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11-30-2018 , 08:44 AM
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There was an interesting post on here somewhere about ICM factors, and much should be considered at each money jump. From memory most actually have the same factor. The highest ratios where actually found at 45 man, with the 7th place finish being the highest of ratios. So, ICM should be considered more at this point than 1st v 2nd!
wowwww really interesting...
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11-30-2018 , 08:55 AM
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There was an interesting post on here somewhere about ICM factors, and much should be considered at each money jump. From memory most actually have the same factor. The highest ratios where actually found at 45 man, with the 7th place finish being the highest of ratios. So, ICM should be considered more at this point than 1st v 2nd!
so you tell me that when we left 7 players we should search only for right icm spots?
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12-04-2018 , 04:11 AM
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Get icmizer or holdem ressource calculator. This is such an easy shove that im quite sure you have never dabbled with these tools.

icm implies that the BB is under big time pressure in this spot, because he's risking his tournament life for the call. At the same time he is not that much under pressure, because he's the shortest player on the table.

Just played a bit w holdem ressources and got out a 90% openjamming range if everybody plays nash. So in this specific practical scenario, you probably get away by shoving any2, because villain is way tighter than nash suggests. Villain should call here like 35% according to nash.
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12-06-2018 , 08:24 AM
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Get icmizer or holdem ressource calculator. This is such an easy shove that im quite sure you have never dabbled with these tools.

icm implies that the BB is under big time pressure in this spot, because he's risking his tournament life for the call. At the same time he is not that much under pressure, because he's the shortest player on the table.

Just played a bit w holdem ressources and got out a 90% openjamming range if everybody plays nash. So in this specific practical scenario, you probably get away by shoving any2, because villain is way tighter than nash suggests. Villain should call here like 35% according to nash.
thank mannnn i understood
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