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18-man ICM question 5 pl left. How awful is this? 18-man ICM question 5 pl left. How awful is this?

08-01-2019 , 05:22 AM
Ok... I'm kinda on a downswing now wich prob gets to me, but got thinking about this.

5 players left.

Utg: 7000

Co: 7000

Button: 7000

Hero(sb) 3000

BB: 3000


150/300/25

Utg: calls

Fold

Fold

Hero: J9s calls

BB: checks


Flop: 9 6 3 rb


Hero: jam

BB: fold

Utg: call



Is this a fold/jam situation pre given icm-pressure?

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08-01-2019 , 09:36 AM
Its certainly not a get cute with average hands situation.

Personally Id just fold or shove pre, depending on reads.
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08-01-2019 , 09:48 AM
That's what I thought.

Shoving seems not optimal though.

What are we folding pre here iyo?

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08-01-2019 , 12:17 PM
Really depends on UTG is he either known to limp-fold or a good reg who tries to sneak the pot away (nice stack set up for limp -> min-bet)?

Otherwise I think you need to be pretty damn tight with that stack-setup. I suck with ranges so cant give you one. But you might want to plug that hand an ICM calculator and check for yourself.
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08-02-2019 , 12:56 AM
Kind of pointless to talk about the postflop without any reads and not really considerate to post the hand this way. We should explain every possibility when you don't post reads? In any realistic scenario, this is a fold preflop. While its true you are only contributing 15% of the pot to see the flop, you literally flop the top of your range and the hand is difficult to play even against the worst opponents. Shoving flop is bad and leading is always the play. I haven't done the math but you want to lead enough to shove the turn comfortably but small enough to pukefold if your lead is shoved over. Your hand is basically A2 on the flop because if you are raised you can only get in against absolute maniacs.
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08-03-2019 , 08:30 PM
I think readless this is perfectly fine given the stack setups.
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