18-man ICM question 5 pl left. How awful is this?
Join Date: Apr 2018
Posts: 72
Ok... I'm kinda on a downswing now wich prob gets to me, but got thinking about this.
5 players left.
Utg: 7000
Co: 7000
Button: 7000
Hero(sb) 3000
BB: 3000
150/300/25
Utg: calls
Fold
Fold
Hero: J9s calls
BB: checks
Flop: 9 6 3 rb
Hero: jam
BB: fold
Utg: call
Is this a fold/jam situation pre given icm-pressure?
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Join Date: Oct 2008
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Its certainly not a get cute with average hands situation.
Personally Id just fold or shove pre, depending on reads.
Join Date: Apr 2018
Posts: 72
That's what I thought.
Shoving seems not optimal though.
What are we folding pre here iyo?
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Really depends on UTG is he either known to limp-fold or a good reg who tries to sneak the pot away (nice stack set up for limp -> min-bet)?
Otherwise I think you need to be pretty damn tight with that stack-setup. I suck with ranges so cant give you one. But you might want to plug that hand an ICM calculator and check for yourself.
Join Date: Mar 2010
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Kind of pointless to talk about the postflop without any reads and not really considerate to post the hand this way. We should explain every possibility when you don't post reads? In any realistic scenario, this is a fold preflop. While its true you are only contributing 15% of the pot to see the flop, you literally flop the top of your range and the hand is difficult to play even against the worst opponents. Shoving flop is bad and leading is always the play. I haven't done the math but you want to lead enough to shove the turn comfortably but small enough to pukefold if your lead is shoved over. Your hand is basically A2 on the flop because if you are raised you can only get in against absolute maniacs.
Join Date: Dec 2010
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I think readless this is perfectly fine given the stack setups.