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$16, AT UTG t200 and 8 still left in

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06-16-2009 , 03:34 PM

NJD77

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Bit of a strange uncomfortable spot for me this one. I'm just not use to still having 8 players left in at t200. Normally I insta ship this at t200 from UTG, but with 8 left in it suddenly felt really horrible right at the instant I clicked "all in". We can't fold can we?

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Poker Stars $15+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t100/t200 Blinds - 8 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

UTG+1: t1080 M = 3.60
MP1: t2085 M = 6.95
MP2: t1510 M = 5.03
CO: t760 M = 2.53
BTN: t1645 M = 5.48
SB: t345 M = 1.15
BB: t4720 M = 15.73
Hero (UTG): t1355 M = 4.52

Pre Flop: (t300) Hero is UTG with A

[color=red]Hero raises to t1355 all in

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06-16-2009 , 03:38 PM

bagclip2007

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its close but im taking this

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06-16-2009 , 03:40 PM

Deurdy

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I think this is -EV to shove (havent checked yet though), but I'm still shoving..
Tbh I would rather be dealt 73o in this spot.

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06-16-2009 , 03:41 PM

Jabong82

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I shove here. When there is still 8 people left, you are at an extra nitty table, so I think I shove this for sure given the blinds and my stack size. UTG I think I'd think about it, but in MP2 Id shove for sure. Then again Im not that good

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06-16-2009 , 03:44 PM

NJD77

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I'm pretty sure it's -ev, I mean I haven't played around with the ranges to the n'th degree in Wiz, but it's definitely substantially -ev at default ranges, and I think I'd struggle to get it much better than break even. I just can't find a fold though!

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06-16-2009 , 03:44 PM

TomoDaK

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I shove too, does 55+ AT A9s KQs sound about right to you guys?

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06-16-2009 , 03:45 PM

bagclip2007

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ya pretty close 8 handed just sucks so freaking bad.

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06-16-2009 , 04:12 PM

gobao

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SB,CO utg+1 are uber short so pfff if I care

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06-16-2009 , 04:25 PM

Deurdy

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Originally Posted by TomoDaK

I shove too, does 55+ AT A9s KQs sound about right to you guys?

55+/AT+ for me, for some reason I really don't like shoving KQs here.

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06-16-2009 , 04:27 PM

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anytwofine

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55/AT+ seems good here. Nitty table u got here :P

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06-16-2009 , 04:40 PM

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Glitlr

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Originally Posted by Deurdy

55+/AT+ for me, for some reason I really don't like shoving KQs here.

I rather shove KQs than AT.

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06-16-2009 , 06:17 PM

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Nicktheone

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Definately I'd prefer KQs but I'm really happy to take a breakeven shove
Add to this that CO is short and might call you with a pretty wide range you are gonna be ahead of with AT

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06-16-2009 , 08:03 PM

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ger664

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Originally Posted by Nicktheone

Definately I'd prefer KQs but I'm really happy to take a breakeven shove
Add to this that CO is short and might call you with a pretty wide range you are gonna be ahead of with AT

Having the shorties calling wider here makes this worse then if we had 8 evenish > 5BB stacks calling tightish.

As for the shove I think its rare that this is a breakeven shove. Its proabbly between -0.3 and -0.1. If this was a turbo with blinds about to go up I would shove this but in a non turbo with blinds not going up soon it might be correct to fold it however in game I probably would shove anyway

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06-16-2009 , 08:17 PM

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willperkins

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I am with you op. Normally with about 7 BBs, ATo is a hand I shove from UTG, however with all these players yet to act....

I ran it through wiz for what it is worth, but did not really change anyone's calling range. Wiz says fold. You need 88+, AQ.

Have yet to read other responses, will do that now.

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06-16-2009 , 10:28 PM

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pompeypoker

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if anybody folds AJ in this spot fihrjbhjfnd?>!?wq.<erdk#

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06-16-2009 , 11:14 PM

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movieman2g

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normally im folding this 8 handed, but ill shove it probably 7 handed, certainly 6 handed...but it is close. suited i shove easily

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06-16-2009 , 11:43 PM

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nelly06

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Originally Posted by pompeypoker

if anybody folds AJ in this spot fihrjbhjfnd?>!?wq.<erdk#

this

with A10 ehh shove if winning on the day and fold if ur losing

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