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9 satellite... thoughts on this spot? 9 satellite... thoughts on this spot?

05-31-2018 , 07:17 AM
partypoker - 0/0 NL (8 max) - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 54.71 BB (VPIP: 30.43, PFR: 27.91, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 47)
UTG+1: 58.55 BB (VPIP: 23.64, PFR: 18.52, 3Bet Preflop: 22.22, Hands: 55)
MP: 21.14 BB (VPIP: 28.75, PFR: 17.95, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 81)
CO: 52.47 BB (VPIP: 27.59, PFR: 22.61, 3Bet Preflop: 10.42, Hands: 117)
BTN: 24.82 BB (VPIP: 8.33, PFR: 4.17, 3Bet Preflop: 5.00, Hands: 48)
SB: 32.27 BB (VPIP: 33.62, PFR: 18.97, 3Bet Preflop: 8.70, Hands: 122)
Hero (BB): 44.58 BB

7 players post ante of 0.12 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.36 BB) Hero has T J

fold, UTG+1 raises to 2.5 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 1.5 BB

Flop: (6.36 BB, 2 players) T K J
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets 6.36 BB, Hero raises to 41.96 BB and is all-in, UTG+1 calls 35.61 BB

Turn: (90.28 BB, 2 players) 7

River: (90.28 BB, 2 players) A


Will post result after responses. Thoughts?
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05-31-2018 , 09:45 AM
I think it's standard. You might have been able to C/R less on the flop, but you were probably getting it in on the turn anyway.

The only thing you might have been able to do differently is 3-bet preflop to strengthen his range. but that's probably not a great play without any specific info on villain, and with so little dead money in the pot.

My guess in either case is that you definitely did not want to see that ace.
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05-31-2018 , 10:18 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyAIC
I think it's standard. You might have been able to C/R less on the flop, but you were probably getting it in on the turn anyway.

The only thing you might have been able to do differently is 3-bet preflop to strengthen his range. but that's probably not a great play without any specific info on villain, and with so little dead money in the pot.

My guess in either case is that you definitely did not want to see that ace.
thanks for the input.

Ive been asking myself, do i ever get called by worse... what is he potting on that flop? AK, QJ, QT (occasionally), KQ? I guess he may pot with the understanding that my BB range is weak thus trying to scare me away. But beyond that is my shove too thin?

Villian had TT

Last edited by nolongeravailable; 05-31-2018 at 10:26 AM.
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05-31-2018 , 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by nolongeravailable
thanks for the input.

Ive been asking myself, do i ever get called by worse... what is he potting on that flop? AK, QJ, QT (occasionally), KQ? I guess he may pot with the understanding that my BB range is weak thus trying to scare me away. But beyond that is my shove too thin?

Villian had TT
Yup, You get called by AA, AK, KQ, Maybe even QQ or QJ. Your range is much weaker than his. You block JJ and 1010 and a little of KJ so there's many more weak hands in his range than strong hands. He just happened to have it.

AQ, 16
JJ 1
1010 1
KK 3

versus

KQ 12
QJ 8
AK, 12
AA 6
QQ 6
Q10? 8

That's 21 we're losing to, and 46 were beating when you shove. And he probably calls with absolute certainty with most of them.

If you had raised less he shoves. I suppose you could have folded then, but his shoving range also has some weaker hands in it, and you'll be getting odds so it feels like the same thing happens.
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06-01-2018 , 11:11 AM
Yes, you get called by worse hands. Fine played.
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06-04-2018 , 11:30 AM
I would lead otf as villain will have a decent made hand or draw here a lot and I don't like a free card. As strong as your hand is it's also somewhat vulnerable. We don't love a ace or 9 ott. It's also going to be difficult to gii when villain checks back otf.
I also think a bet/bet/bet line is our best chance of gii against worse here. Villain can get away from Kx and some draws when you make a massive overbet check raise.

Last edited by SharkytheFish; 06-04-2018 at 11:31 AM. Reason: typo
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06-07-2018 , 04:12 PM
suicidally played imo. Vast majority of 23/18 EP opening range here has this flop raped. Bottom two on an all broadway flop is a crock. check/call

er it's a psb, cf
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06-08-2018 , 05:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Top Pig
suicidally played imo. Vast majority of 23/18 EP opening range here has this flop raped. Bottom two on an all broadway flop is a crock. check/call

er it's a psb, cf
this poster is a ******
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06-08-2018 , 07:48 AM
My first thought is that I don't want to have a check raising range on this flop.
However Depending on your preflop range, maybe hving a check raise range isn't so bad
Assuming you're calling PF with AQ/Q9/TT(maybe KJ), these are good candidates to c/raise. As bluffs you could c/raise QT/QJ/Q8s and maybe some suited (d or s or c) Aces.

TJ is not strong enough to consider a value c/raise imo and too strong to consider a bluff. Therefore I would want to call the pot sized cbet.

Last thought, regarding your sizing; you are betting 35bb to win 18bb. That's OK, but you would need 2 bluffs for each 3 value hands to be balanced.
I woudn't hate c/raising to +/-15bb to set up a turn shove of 26bb in 36bb (with value hands and some bluffs)
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