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A low carb diet leads to lower insulin levels and increased insulin sensitivity. Insulin and cortisol are the two hormones that influence fat the most.

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03-15-2018 , 09:06 PM

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Sorry about the derail, it's just a subject I am quite passionate about. I've lost about 60 pounds so far as well and on the way to losing much more.

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03-15-2018 , 09:09 PM

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W/E is going on w/ the body's chemistry I find that I'm MUCH less hungry on a low carb diet. That leads to fewer calories and massively fewer empty carbs. I eat plenty of greens, as much as I want to. The weight just melted off once I made the commitment. Took mom to go and lose some $$$ at the Holy Church of the Wheel of Fortune slot machine today and ate sushi. Almost went for the lo mein so it's not a total disaster.

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03-15-2018 , 09:15 PM

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Kato, I'm glad you found a fad diet that works for you.

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03-15-2018 , 09:18 PM

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Sorry about the derail, it's just a subject I am quite passionate about. I've lost about 60 pounds so far as well and on the way to losing much more.

So maybe your methods really are the best for huge fatties. Doesn't necessarily mean it's the ideal strategy for the many of us who just want to lose 20-30 pounds.

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03-15-2018 , 09:20 PM

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There's a reason almost everyone that loses weight by eating less ends up gaining it back (and often a bit more).

Yes. Long term compliance. Good luck.

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03-15-2018 , 09:25 PM

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KK,

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There's a reason almost everyone that loses weight by eating less ends up gaining it back (and often a bit more).

Yes, it’s because they start eating more and moving less.

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03-15-2018 , 09:25 PM

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So maybe your methods really are the best for huge fatties. Doesn't necessarily mean it's the ideal strategy for the many of us who just want to lose 20-30 pounds.

Good luck keeping it off.

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Yes. Long term compliance. Good luck.

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KK,

Yes, it’s because they start eating more and moving less.

It's not about willpower or long term compliance. If you drop 500 calories below maintenance and then eat that same amount forever, you will lose weight at first and then almost certainly gain most or all of that weight back -- even while maintaining that lower caloric intake. Nearly every study that actually follows results long term instead of just during the few months of weight loss shows this. The body does not like to lose (or gain for that matter) weight.

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03-15-2018 , 09:29 PM

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Oh, good! The thread's going to pick up steam!

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03-15-2018 , 09:33 PM

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Kk,

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If you drop 500 calories below maintenance and then eat that same amount forever, you will lose weight at first and then almost certainly gain most or all of that weight back -- even while maintaining that lower caloric intake. Nearly every study that actually follows results long term instead of just during the few months of weight loss shows this.

No. Please provide actual cites for your claim, thanks.

The key benefit of IF in weight loss is simply reduced calorie intake. Increase the calories during the eating window and IF stops working for weight loss.

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03-15-2018 , 09:49 PM

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El D, I'm interested in Kato's studies as well. According to "Health effects of intermittent fasting: hormesis or harm? A systematic review" published in The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition:

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Clinical research studies of fasting with robust designs and high levels of clinical evidence are sparse in the literature... For fasting to be more than a ************ [lol 2p2 censoring wei.ght-loss] fad, greater scientific rigor is needed from interventional trials than is found in the literature. Whereas enthusiasm for fasting is increasing, clinical relevance remains low because of insufficient human data, including almost nonexistent controlled trials, few clinical outcomes studies, and lack of correction for inflated type I error rates from multiple hypothesis tests.

That article was from 2015, though, so Kato probably has more recent sources.

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03-15-2018 , 09:57 PM

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Greg,

I’m sure he’s not just one more fat guy who has struggled with his weight and then found one book/program that he’s finally had better results with, and now believes that as gospel based on his short-term personal experience.

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03-15-2018 , 10:12 PM

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Almost went for the lo mein so it's not a total disaster.

Asians, at least, are willing to make their noodles from different ingredients, such as rice or mung beans (although lo mein uses wheat-based noodles). Most Italian pasta seems to be different shapes from the same dough.

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03-15-2018 , 10:22 PM

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Most Italian pasta seems to be different shapes from the same dough.

The thread's premise in a nutshell.

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03-15-2018 , 11:37 PM

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The thread's premise in a conchiglie.

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03-15-2018 , 11:53 PM

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....Took mom to go and lose some $$$ at the Holy Church of the Wheel of Fortune slot machine today and ate sushi. Almost went for the lo mein so it's not a total disaster.

That's all well and good but what's Andy up to?

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03-15-2018 , 11:56 PM

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That's all well and good but what's Andy up to?

He's got two new dog neighbors and they're happily talking over the wall. Hopefully that will slow down soon.

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03-16-2018 , 02:27 AM

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Exercise does extremely little for weight loss. Caloric restriction also does very little for long term weight loss. Eat less move more has been pretty much definitively shown to be a bs strategy for long term weight loss.

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A low carb diet leads to lower insulin levels and increased insulin sensitivity. Insulin and cortisol are the two hormones that influence fat the most.

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03-16-2018 , 07:44 AM

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Why bother with so many different kinds of foods now we have a food replacement?

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03-16-2018 , 11:13 AM

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Exercise does extremely little for weight loss

I eat >3k calories/day, the majority coming from bread, pasta, (sweet) potatoes and rice. Are you telling me I could just stop to run/cycle/swim 10+ hours per week and stay at 135lbs?

I don’t know one single person who runs >50 miles a week who is overweight. Even though a lot of them eat a diet that consists mostly of simple carbs. On the contrary, I know a couple skinny people who were shocked to find out they had pretty high LDL and blood glucose levels because of their bad eating habits.

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03-16-2018 , 03:24 PM

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So you guys call Fusilli Rotini?

I've never used either term in real life. It's 'spiral pasta'.

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03-16-2018 , 03:26 PM

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Not gaining weight isn't the same thing as losing weight fwiw

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03-16-2018 , 03:30 PM

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Not gaining weight isn't the same thing as losing weight fwiw

If he doubles his exercise and keeps his intake the same, I'll bet he loses a ****load of weight.

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03-16-2018 , 03:38 PM

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Not gaining weight isn't the same thing as losing weight fwiw

I could lose weight by eating less calories. Probably wouldn’t take long to lose s couple pounds of upper body muscle.

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03-16-2018 , 03:39 PM

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Intermittent fasting used to be known as sleep. Eat nothing from about 9pm-9am. If your day starts and ends earlier or later, try another interval of your choosing.

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