I'm wondering if you could give an example of "wit" in beer? Is it more like droll humor, or is it filled with puns?

OAF,

You didn’t answer my question. What are your top few favorite beers and beer styles?

And my zinger wasn’t really a zing, just a statement of fact. I’ve spent many years all over Europe and have tasted most of the beers locally considered the best around. And I’ve also tasted most of their American counterparts. There are only a couple of categories where I can’t easily find something as good or better in American beer. And in those categories, I can usually find those European beers at many places here. On the other hand, there are multiple categories of beer where European beer simply doesn’t compare to American beer, and in those cases it’s often much harder or impossible to find anything of comparable quality on offer in Europe.

You are making a lot of statements that show you simply don’t have the knowledge/experience of having tasted a wide range of excellent American beers. That’s fine, but it simply makes your opinions on this topic quite uninformed.

I have tasted plenty of American beers, If I had tasted a good one I would have made a point of remembering it.

I like good things and having heard many claims made like the one you have made, and thus have looked for good american beer.

My conclusion is that Yanks simply dont comprehend what good beer is. Thus vastly overate beers made for their sensibilities and under rate beers made for more mature audiences.

Your post above is basically absurd.

OAF,


Germany is a perfect example of where laws and traditions left the beer culture there stuck in the past. That’s not my opinion, it’s the opinion of German brewers who fought hard to finally make some changes to catch up with the rest of the world, especially America.

OAF,

You keep avoiding my very simple question to you. What are your top few favorite beers and beer styles?

America is a big market, that they wanted the opportunity to make more commercially appealing beer would not be surprising.

Need to see some kind of cite on this though.

I dont see much coming out of answering, Im not sure how much of a common frame of reference it would give us.

Its also a difficult question, not sure if I have firm favourites, I have some that are local to me, but liking them is more due to their locality than their style.

Great beers I have drunk whilst travelling, dont know where to start to be honest.

If I am travelling around the UK and walk into a random supermarket I pull this off the shelf:

https://www.timothytaylor.co.uk/beer/landlord/

Ohhhhhhhhh the much deeper european cultural understanding of beer is what makes their beer superior!
Now it all makes sense, thanks for explaining FK11

Yea, you are right, the beer itself being a bedrock component of their culture is absolutely insignificant in their ability to make said beer.

Only someone void of culture could make such an argument.

Look Im going to bow out of this.

To much trolling has slipped into my posting.

America is a great country, I travel their a lot and when I have to get back onto the plane to England my mind always fills with regret about the chance I had to get a green card that I blew.

That said I stand by general comments on American beer.

Most of my experiences with are either hay we identified the main flavour profile of beer X, so obviously to make beer X better you turn that flavour up to 11, or experimentation that has not pulled off.

America will make a great beer, when it makes a Zen beer, a beer it did not try way to hard to make, a calm assured beer of balance and harmony. I look forward to drinking it one day.

It's very odd that someone who thinks they have a deep knowledge of the US beer scene can't even name some of the breweries he's visited or beers he's tried.

lol he was German and went to Weihenstephan for at least part of his brewing education, you doofus. My point, which must have gone over your head because of my typically-American subtlety, was that your assurance that no 30-something could make good beer is as wrong as most of your other postings on the matter.

Come join us in the El D forum in the beer thread for great beer talk, or maybe check out the Lounge Thread since that's probably more your speed.

Omit the, "Did not try way to [sic] hard to make," and that's a great description of Sierra Nevada Pale.

They all have funny names though that are hard to remember unless you really want to. Even then it can be a problem unless you are drinking them regularly.

Talking about subtlety, and this will be my last post, maybe the whooshing was with you, maybe just maybe I was not being 100% serious when suggesting no one under 40 could make a good beer.

Also I was referring to American 30 somethings, that should have been very apparent, if he is a German 30 something, of course he can make good beer LDO.

Ok one last post. Promise.

SNP, is widely available in the UK. It is miles away from the beer I am talking about.

I can see what you are getting at though, it is pretty mild mannered, excellence without looking like trying is hard to pull of though.

You should have given up on the colonies before 1776. USAUSAUSA.

OAF,


No, they already had plenty of latitude available for export beers. What they fought hard to get was the ability to use modern beer innovations to improve beer for their local market.

As for listing your favorite beers and beer styles, if you did I could give you some American beers to try that would blow you away. Your posts all show that you have a very elementary knowledge of American beer. Which is fine. Many Americans have a very elementary knowledge of most British stuff. But you’re simply unqualified to offer a knowledgeable opinion on the topic of European vs American beers. There are tons of American breweries making excellent kolsch, Pilsner, pale ale, and various other lighter beers. I have a soft spot for Sierra Nevada because they’re local to me and one of the trailblazers for American craft beer, but SN Pale Ale is far from best in its class. As rdh said, visit the beer thread if you actually care to learn more about excellent beer.

If it wasn't for ignorant millennials believing everything from the liberal media then America wouldn't be considered so racist either

The country is long known for being a melting pot but somehow dip****s in other countries that are monochromatic think we're racist


This is America's biggest problem, we're allowed those opinions and discourse

America is amazing

Wait, you're from England?? And you don't see what's wrong with that?
And I was 100% confident that you were from one of those uncivilized non-English speaking backwater euro countries
Please tell me you're not a native English speaker and that you simply followed one of those migration routes in the map above to England

Lol, the American police are what make America great. Good stuff.

The random political hot takes being dropped make the beer discussion seem profound.

OAFK claiming superior palate for beer to (almost?) all Americans and then declining to talk beer at all has been enjoyable.

thought of a good one for why USA is good: big hotel rooms and showers.

lol at suggesting a Baby Boomer could make good beer. That entire generation has spent their entire lives being worthless at everything while making tons of money and thinking they're geniuses.

I'm pretty sure a few boomers were
In over at Apple.

But it's cool, you can take everything for granted.