Yes I realize that. That doesn't necessarily make it better. There's a point where aging longer can make some beers worse.
I was asking HP the question bc I don't think he really has any idea what the point of the cask is. Guess I fell for his obvious troll.

This is pretty solid. Much more subtle than HeroPro or OAF.
In the eurobeer world of course nothing can be improved upon, and the only way to measure quality is by counting the number of centuries that the country has been making that particular style!

I have multiple bars, a baseball's(Murica!) throw away, that have beers poured from casks.

It's going to be a tall order to argue that the people to improve beer that has evolved to a level of excellence over a long period of time are the same people who until recently revered Budweiser, but go ahead.

You could take a look at the US political system which was intended to be an improvement on a parliamentary system, and where that's got you now.

Since you're such an expert on American beer, who are these people that "revered" Budweiser?

You're suffering from the same ignorance as OAF. Even before the craft beer scene absolutely exploded in the past decade, nobody ever entertained the notion that Bud, Miller, Coors, etc made incredible beers that could stand up to the best in the world. Thats ridiculous. Just because a product is popular, does not mean people think its the highest quality.
Well, at least not rational people.

That's like saying the people who started black lives matter are the same people who voted for Trump. They're actually not the same people, they just happen to be from the same country of 325 million people.

I'm kind of baffled by the idea that centuries of tradition are what makes the best beer. Is there some physical evolution that Euros have that non-Euro's don't? Otherwise you're talking about knowledge that can easily be shared. And raw capitalism, a lot of money, and a large market are a much better environment for brewing the best (and the worst) beer. It shouldn't be surprising at all that the US is the place where that happens.

This thread is full of some great lol USA#1 moments (police and "free speech" being my personal favorites), but its nice to see some lol Non-USA#1 moments too.

lol @ "hundreds of years" of brewing tradition. The best beers come from the Fertile Crescent, where they've been brewing for perhaps as long as 10,000 years. You Brits are cute with your little centuries-old "tradition".

No one revered Budweiser, lol. We used to call it Schwagweiser and Buttwiper. Strohs was called Shorts, Cornona was called Lizard Piss (I know I know, just making a point), and so on. We had pet names for everything. Budweiser had some truly amazing advertising, and they christened themselves as "America's Beer."

We had access to imported beers from Europe, like Guiness, Harp, Bass, Becks, Heineken, and so on, but whatever was shipped here was not 2x better than the mass produced beer, and it wasn't worth spending 2x the money to have a European beer. There were also some legal limits regarding ABV that parts of USA#1 still suffer from, namely Utah and Mississippi.

What we call "craft beer" today used to be called "microbrews." These were de-regulated by President Jimmy Carter in 1979, and they slowly gained popularity over the years, but craft beer didn't get huge until small make-your-own beers that taught people how to make beer came along. The idea of keeping knowledge from each other, only passing it down by tradition vs openly sharing knowledge is the big difference between European and US beer.

The values of American beer drinkers changed as well. The younger generations have turned their backs on large corporations (as a rule) and generally enjoy supporting smaller and local companies, even if the price is higher. So even if a 40 yo grew up on MGD, a 22 year old may have never had a can in his life.

People do this crap all the time with food, makes no sense to me. Go ask some nerd if there should be beans in chili and when has a meltdown, ask him why not.

"Cuz that's now how the cowboys made it."

lol

The correct answer is that nobody wants to be distracted with legumes when they're trying to eat a bowl of spicy meat.

Yes
creates propagates and sustains best ever dietary products ! .

You'd be hard-pressed to find more than 8 Americans in history who revered Budweiser. Sure, we drank a heck of a lot of it, but, like all German-style lagers, it was always cheap utility beer. Great for when your mortgage payment is due and it is stinking hot outside and you want something cold and flavorless to numb your pain.

If you want to pick on us, then mention Starbucks. We can't put a positive spin on that. In fact, we'll probably just apologize.

Ok now. That is a low-blow.

If we are using centuries as a measure of quality, clearly the best American drink is moonshine.

It’s not just food. Pick any general area or industry and we’ve probably made significant progress in understanding it over the last few decades just with the increased ability to measure and crunch data. Sports is another big area where you have a bunch of people making clearly wrong decisions just because they believe historical experience has some magical power that can’t be observed directly.

It isn't just about the flavors. The texture is completely different.

Should be a big party at Weihenstephan in 2040 for their 1,000 year anniversary, who wants to join me?

You say centuries of tradition, whereas it's centuries of competition between breweries to produce better beers.

America is great because no matter our proclamations of USA#1, everyone on earth gets angry about it.

So you are saying European breweries are still establishing the run

I’m not qualified enough to know where the best beer is, because I (luckily) just enjoy variety and don’t even really have the ability to distinguish small differences enough to know what ‘the best’ is.

But I know the argument that centuries of culture is pretty silly. And even centuries of competition is pretty lol given technological advances and the fact that the competition of the last few decades (in almost any industry) is order of magnitudes tougher than the competition before that.

How do you know people get angry?

What makes it chili, the peppers or the beans+peppers? Chili without beans is meat sauce imo.

Chili or meat sauce, either way its hard to go wrong when it's loaded up with cheese

Euro beer is obviously still evolving. Just not by adding peanut butter.

I should have just stfu and let Yanklandians keep talking.

Every comment since I left and lurked has basically confirmed the hypothesis that american beer is HERE IS THE FLAVOUR---->.

American beer is beer with massive fake tits.

It attempts to appeal to the senses in pretty much the exact same way.

Except massive fake tits do it better.

The centuries of culture observation is of course incomprehensible to an American.

You should have some self awareness about it.

The point is great beer is about getting something that tastes sublime out of a few simple ingredients, not adding peanut butter. That first takes culture, the second not so much.

I’m not American.

I totally agree that Europe probably makes the best beer according to your very specific definition and tastes (which is basically whatever Europe makes is your definition of beer).