Who told who a lie? What I said is true absent the Kennedy assassination. It helps if you know anything that you didn't learn on the Internet.

Basic gun science bro

Oh, look what comes up if you just google Dealey Plaza.

No, Dealey Plaza is excluded as the origin of the transmission because there is no crowd noise, as heard on authentic transmissions from Dealey Plaza, and because the motorcade's sirens are not heard for more than two minutes after the time of the shooting. The sounds on the recording are consistent with the Trade Mart, but not in any way with Dealey Plaza. The alleged 'impulses' overlap with the microphone capturing Sheriff Bill Decker's words 'Hold everything secure,' from a nearby police radio tuned to Channel 2, which was over a minute after the assassination. And there is no gunfire on the recording. Not even Dr Barger said that there was gunfire on the recording.


Dr Barger was only prepared to testify to those inaudible 'impulses'. And gunfire is not inaudible. When Barger recorded actual gunshots in Dealey Plaza, they were thoroughly audible.

And Weiss was just making stuff up and assuming the conclusion in advance. And McLain's motorcycle simply wasn't where Weiss needed it to be, so the whole thing falls.

Howard,
Who was your father?

As can be seen from the photograph, the limousine is not going in a straight line away from the so-called 'sniper nest'. It is going down the slope at an angle and is obscured by trees.

If you think all that makes for an easy shot, good luck to you!

Yes, the car is not going straight away from the alleged shooting position - it is going downhill at an angle.

So this:

Is utterly irrelevant. Unless you're wishing the shot we're talking about wasn't as difficult.

It helps if you know anything that you didn't learn on the Internet.

The story comes from one of the witnesses, and the witness statement was reported by Fonzi:

I wasn't sure they wanted me to hear the conversation or they wanted to convince me of something or wanted me to volunteer something. He (Liebeler) kept threatening me with a lie detector test also, even though he knew I was under tremendous stress at the time. But one thing he said, and this has always bothered me, he said to this other gentleman, I don't remember his name, he said, "Well, you know if we do find out that this is a conspiracy you know that we have orders from Chief Justice Warren to cover this thing up." (I asked: Liebeler said that?) "Yes, sir, I could swear on that."

Liebler might have been joking with his friend.

That's certainly possible. He had a well-developed sense of humor. That said, he took his job quite seriously and wanted to get it right. I did expressly ask him as a teen if there was either a conspiracy or a coverup. He did not believe either existed. He did suggest that the FBI likely withheld evidence from the commission, but he thought that was to avoid political embarrassment than anything else.

@minimalist: funny!

WRT possible reasons why information was withheld from the WC:

I think that may well be a very good explanation for some of the stuff the Commission never saw. It's also apparent that there was inter-agency rivalry that had an effect.

What Hill ******?

The name is proudfootz.

More evidence that 'lone nut' theorists are angry as well as ignorant.

Keep up the good work making Lone Nutters look like idiots!

This is a Hill:


According to your intelligence, The President's car was going down one of those?

It might be interesting for us shooters to list some of the things that make a shot easier versus things that make a particular shot more difficult (red: not impossible).

1. distance to target
2. size of target
3. moving or not moving?
4. target obscured?


Those seem like the most basic elements: Size, distance, relative motion, interference from objects between weapon and target.

Given all of the publicly discussed shooter locations that I'm aware of, Oswald's "shooter's nest" in the TSBD building is by far the best.

All of the other talked about locations are much worse.

Shooting from full cover. This is by far... By a few orders of magnitude... The single most important consideration of a sniper. None of the other locations have full cover as a feature.

If your target is moving, it is by far better to have it going straight away or straight towards the shooter. The TSBD building location has JFK going close to straight away.

Almost all of the other shooter locations have broadside moving targets. This is a much bigger concern then range out to point blank for anyone who has ever a modest amount of experience shooting a rifle.

Amanda Knox killed JFK.

Target distance is not a chief concern for a minimally proficient rifle shooter out to the MPBR (Maximum Point Blank Range) for a given cartridge.

For the 6.5x52, MPBR would be something like 200-250yds.

Inside of this range, 1) target motion (speed, acceleration and direction) and 2) target size, will be more important factors.

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"The Maximum Point Blank Range (MPBR), which is shown in the last column of the table below, is the distance at which the bullet falls 3 inches below the line of sight. Thus between the muzzle and the distance given as the MPBR, the bullet never strays more than 3 inches above or below the line of sight (1.5 inches for varmint loads)."

http://www.chuckhawks.com/rifle_trajectory_table.htm

When was this photo taken? Month and year please.

This is a reenactement in early 1964 - highly unlikely the direction of the street and the orientation of the building was changed.

How so?

Two prominent ones are the so-called 'Grassy Knoll' where many people (including cops) thought the fatal shot came from, and the Dal-Tex building which could produce the much-desired 'moving in a straight line away from an elevated shooting position' effect.



Full cover does seem to make sense for a sniper's getaway. I don't see how it contributes much to making an actual shot.

Other locations give 'better' results on this criteria. As Elm St gently slopes down to get under the railroad track bridge, it come toward the so-called 'Grassy Knoll'. The Dal-Tex building would give a shooter a more straight on shot than possible from the TSBD.

I quite agree. A moving target is much more difficult - especially for someone like Oswald trained to shoot at stationary targets (and not much good at that, either!).

I not sure what you mean by this statement. I was interested in the tree obscuring line of site, its size and foliage.

I have seen other views through a rifle scope aimed from the window of the Texas School Book Depository without a tree influencing the shot. But you chose this one.

The grassy knoll location is nonsense.

Broadside moving target.

No reliable cover. No reliable egress.

30yrds or less from bystanders. Shots fired from a range of <30 yards are completely unmistakable to bystanders. A shooter would have been immediately identified.

Do all bullets travel on a straight-line trajectory through bone, muscle and gristle? Is it possible for the projectile to ricochet and be diverted in another direction? Even upwards?

Besides, I thought Ted Cruz's Dad killed JFK.