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09-18-2017 , 09:40 PM
What does that have to do with anything? NOVA 100% confirms the magic bullet theory, not the opposite as you said.
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09-18-2017 , 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Howard Treesong
I don't think so. I've gone to the TSBD and looked down to the street from where Oswald was, and it's surprisingly close. I'm no expert with a rifle, but I'm very comfortable that I could hit a human target in a slow-moving car from that distance and do so easily. So the difficulty is not an issue. I know subsequent tests with a manlicher-carcano showed that it could be reloaded and shot twice in less than eight seconds, so the timing isn't an issue. Can I cetegorically exclude another shooter? Logically, that's trying to show that the absence of evidence is evidence of absence -- so, no, I can't categorically exclude it. But the existing evidence is entirely consistent with Oswald shooting three shots from the sixth floor.

I think I've answered your question fairly.
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Originally Posted by proudfootz
As much as someone might want to think it's an easy shot, it seems professional marksmen of great skill have had a hard time duplicating the feat (and Oswald was no crack shot).

Could someone have gotten lucky shooting from that position? Sure.

But an easy shot? The evidence says no.
Back in the 80's I was shooting competitively and was asked to participate in a simulation of the assassination along with several other shooters. They had the correct rifle & ammunition and set up a moving target simulator with the correct distance (153 feet), vehicle speed, angle and elevation. The objective was to get 3 shots off in 8 seconds with at least one striking a head sized target. We were given a little time to get familiar with the weapon but not allowed to sight it or test fire it.

There were 24 of us in the test and only 3 of us were able to do it but here's the rub: The three of us were the only left handed shooters in the test. The MC was much easier to shoot and work the bolt being left handed. I was able to do it 3 times in a row and I think the other two were as well.

Oswald was left handed.
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09-18-2017 , 09:46 PM
Now compare the image taken from the NOVA TV show to Arlen Specter trying to come up with a scenario that allows one bullet to strike both Kennedy and Connolly:



See the white patch on the model's shoulder below Specter's left hand?

That is where doctors found a bullet hole in JFK's back. To get the Magic Bullet to exit Kennedy's throat and strike Governor Connolly in the correct spot, Specter has to move the alleged entry wound up about six inches.

In a real murder case, no one would be allowed to fudge the data and manipulate the facts the way the Warren Commission did.

People like Specter who have to lie to you to make their case know they have a ****ty case.
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09-18-2017 , 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by LastLife
What does that have to do with anything? NOVA 100% confirms the magic bullet theory, not the opposite as you said.
You didn't even look at the image captured from the NOVA TV show in my post?

The WC claims the bullet entered the back and exited the throat.

The NOVA reconstruction proves it would have exited the chest.
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09-18-2017 , 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by proudfootz
Now compare the image taken from the NOVA TV show to Arlen Specter trying to come up with a scenario that allows one bullet to strike both Kennedy and Connolly:



See the white patch on the model's shoulder below Specter's left hand?

That is where doctors found a bullet hole in JFK's back. To get the Magic Bullet to exit Kennedy's throat and strike Governor Connolly in the correct spot, Specter has to move the alleged entry wound up about six inches.

In a real murder case, no one would be allowed to fudge the data and manipulate the facts the way the Warren Commission did.

People like Specter who have to lie to you to make their case know they have a ****ty case.
Drugs are bad
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09-18-2017 , 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by slamdunkpro
Back in the 80's I was shooting competitively and was asked to participate in a simulation of the assassination along with several other shooters. They had the correct rifle & ammunition and set up a moving target simulator with the correct distance (153 feet), vehicle speed, angle and elevation. The objective was to get 3 shots off in 8 seconds with at least one striking a head sized target. We were given a little time to get familiar with the weapon but not allowed to sight it or test fire it.

There were 24 of us in the test and only 3 of us were able to do it but here's the rub: The three of us were the only left handed shooters in the test. The MC was much easier to shoot and work the bolt being left handed. I was able to do it 3 times in a row and I think the other two were as well.

Oswald was left handed.
That's interesting.

I wonder how many of the professional marksmen employed by the various investigation were lefties?
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09-18-2017 , 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by LastLife
Drugs are bad
I didn't know Specter was taking drugs.

I just thought he was a POS.
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09-18-2017 , 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by proudfootz
You didn't even look at the image captured from the NOVA TV show in my post?

The WC claims the bullet entered the back and exited the throat.

The NOVA reconstruction proves it would have exited the chest.
You didn't watch the NOVA documentary.

Why are you posting historical still shot pictures that show absolutely nothing?
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09-18-2017 , 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by LastLife
You didn't watch the NOVA documentary.
Now you are making stuff up.

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Why are you posting historical still shot pictures that show absolutely nothing?
The photo is a demonstration that a bullet entering where Kennedy's back wound was observed would exit the chest and not the throat as required by the Magic Bullet theory.

For the cartoon version of the story presented in the NOVA TV show, animators had to move Kennedy's wound up into his neck as seen here:



It's a shame that NOVA has to stoop to deceiving its audience.

Sadly, too many people are eager to eat it up as if it were accurate.
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09-18-2017 , 11:06 PM
Anyone interested in the actual forensic breakdown can check out NOVA: Cold Case JFK. It's less than an hour and comprehensive. You won't need to watch anything else JFK assassination related again.
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09-18-2017 , 11:29 PM
The horse was beaten to death long before that. It's been more than a half-century and these conspiracy folks still can't seem to do better that 600 different theories on this. They've had their chance to make a cohesive, convincing case on this but they failed & the ball game's over.
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09-19-2017 , 12:04 AM
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Originally Posted by slamdunkpro
Back in the 80's I was shooting competitively and was asked to participate in a simulation of the assassination along with several other shooters. They had the correct rifle & ammunition and set up a moving target simulator with the correct distance (153 feet), vehicle speed, angle and elevation. The objective was to get 3 shots off in 8 seconds with at least one striking a head sized target. We were given a little time to get familiar with the weapon but not allowed to sight it or test fire it.

There were 24 of us in the test and only 3 of us were able to do it but here's the rub: The three of us were the only left handed shooters in the test. The MC was much easier to shoot and work the bolt being left handed. I was able to do it 3 times in a row and I think the other two were as well.

Oswald was left handed.
That is interesting- also odd they would make a gun that easier to use for lefties.
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09-19-2017 , 12:50 AM
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Originally Posted by borg23
That is interesting- also odd they would make a gun that easier to use for lefties.
Wish I had a lefty rifle growing up. I had an automatic .22. Don't use that thing with short sleeves.
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09-19-2017 , 01:50 AM
Gotta chuckle at how often proudfootz takes some random non-fact and emphatically states it "proves" something:

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The NOVA reconstruction proves it would have exited the chest.
No it doesn't.

Along with weak-ass assertions such as this:

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But an easy shot? The evidence says no
What "evidence" leads to such a concrete conclusion?

Virtually all of your statements itt point to only one conclusion: you are a conspiracist nut job.

Spoiler:
DUCWIDT?
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09-19-2017 , 01:58 AM
I shot him. I randalled him on a hot Tuesday in St Louis.
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09-19-2017 , 06:17 AM
proudfootz, thanks for your work on this. Someone has to tell the people, who are in the minority side of this debate and have been for the last 50 years, that they are wrong.

Howard, just stop man, you are the most biased person I have ever heard talking about this.
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09-19-2017 , 06:34 AM

Look closely. One shooter, all shots from the back?

Again, if anyone's interested in really doing some research I can recommend some stuff. Not going to get into an argument here. LOL at that Nova program being the best.
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09-19-2017 , 07:49 AM
For those of us who understand Newton's laws of physics, there is nothing in that clip that disproves the shot coming from the back.
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09-19-2017 , 08:13 AM
Sounds good, sir. I wish you the best.

Re: a conspiracy is impossible, too many would have to be involved, keep quiet, etc....

"To the stock objection that it would be virtually impossible to assemble a murder conspiracy without leakage, the response is that an existing conspiratorial network or system of networks, already in place and capable of murder, would have much less difficulty in maintaining the discipline of secrecy." - Author Peter Dale Scott in 'DEEP POLITICS AND THE DEATH OF JFK'

"There is no doubt now that there was a conspiracy, yet most of us are not very angry about it. The conspiracy to kill the president of the United States was also a conspiracy against the democratic system --and thus a conspiracy against you. I think you should get very angry about that." - Gaeton Fonzi, Investigator HSCA
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09-19-2017 , 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by RichGangi

Look closely. One shooter, all shots from the back?
So, do you not see his head first move forward on impact?
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09-19-2017 , 09:00 AM
Or the angle of the bullet entering the base of his skull from behind followed immediately by an explosion to his front right temple which causes his head to fly back violently?
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09-19-2017 , 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by borg23
That is interesting- also odd they would make a gun that easier to use for lefties.
When a right-handed person shoots a right-hand bolt gun they have to take their finger off the trigger and their hand off the stock to reach up and work the bolt. In most cases a right-handed person will release the shoulder stock from their shoulder forcing them to realign the rifle and reacquire the target. A left-hander shooting a right-hand bolt gun with a rest can leave the fore stock of the rifle on the rest, keep their left hand on the grip and trigger and work the bolt with their right hand. All you have to do is raise your chin up slightly to avoid hitting yourself with the bolt.It's awkward at first but with a little practice its quicker
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09-19-2017 , 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by LastLife
Anyone interested in the actual forensic breakdown can check out NOVA: Cold Case JFK. It's less than an hour and comprehensive. You won't need to watch anything else JFK assassination related again.
As I have shown, the NOVA presentation is deceptive and anyone would be a fool to be taken in.
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09-19-2017 , 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Minirra
The horse was beaten to death long before that. It's been more than a half-century and these conspiracy folks still can't seem to do better that 600 different theories on this. They've had their chance to make a cohesive, convincing case on this but they failed & the ball game's over.
Sadly, all that has been accomplished is to prove that the Warren Commission conclusions are worthless.

But better to frankly admit we don't know something than belief something false along the lines of 'Oswald did it'.
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09-19-2017 , 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by ninetynine99
Gotta chuckle at how often proudfootz takes some random non-fact and emphatically states it "proves" something:
Gotta chuckle at someone taking a demonstrated fact and trying to peddle the nonsense idea that it is a 'random non-fact'. Much like your garden variety doubter of climate change or a typical Holocaust denier.

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No it doesn't.

Along with weak-ass assertions such as this:

The NOVA reconstruction proves it would have exited the chest.


What "evidence" leads to such a concrete conclusion?
Just to clarify - the image of the trajectory going through the body from the actual back wound location came from the Discovery Channel re-enactment (the NOVA TV show only did a cartoon version placing the entrance in the neck instead of the back - a blatant lie from the producers of that program. Sadly, some folks swear by this stuff even after they are informed that they've been deceived.).

Which does indeed demonstrate conclusively that on that trajectory would exit the chest and not the throat:



Only a few fringe types actually take the Magic Bullet theory seriously.

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Virtually all of your statements itt point to only one conclusion: you are a conspiracist nut job.
The fact that you are jumping to the defense of something that has been definitively debunked tells us more about your own predilection for nutjobbery than anything else.
Spoiler:

No doubt, like many other fanatics of your type, you will ignore the evidence in favor of trying to be insulting.

Last edited by proudfootz; 09-19-2017 at 10:53 AM.
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