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Didace,

Have you always believed this? Was there ever a time when you believed it was a conspiracy?

Just an honest question, because I feel like I geniunely agree with most things that you post. Do you think there could possibly be any more to the story, or do you strictly believe he acted 100% alone?

I can't speak for Didace, but my views of this come from the vast collection of loons who assert conspiracy theories. David Lifton showed up at our house unannounced one evening to discuss the commission's findings with my father. Lifton wrote "best evidence," which asserted that surgeons on the plane altered JFK's body to make entrance wounds look like exit wounds. They had a raging debate. It was an absurdity then and now, but there is no doubt that Lifton genuinely believes it. Hence: loons.

There is plenty to suggest that this did indeed occur, among many other things. Please, do some reading and critical thinking. The facts are scary, yet necessary. Also, FYI.



They want you to think the truth is crazy, impossible, etc. Don't drink the Kool-Aid.

LOL, it's among the dumbest theories ever articulated, and would have had to have involved dozens or hundreds of people, including e.g. nurses and doctors at Parkland hospital. As I recall it, it's not even clear that a wounded President would necessarily have been taken to Parkland, necessitating an even broader and more unwieldy conspiracy. Also some anticipation of what exactly a bullet wound would look like in advance. And all to what point? To pin a crime on an undeserving Lee Oswald? The theory is insanely and relentlessly stupid, as the slightest application of critical thinking will reveal.

Can nut jobs ask questions about Oswald that are unanswerable without speculation? Sure. But I've never heard an alternative that is even faintly reasonable.

I'll read one of the di eugenio books just for grins, but the theory that Oswald wasn't involved is another silly nonstarter.

If you really want to do some research, I can recommend some resources. Oswald was nothing more than a pawn who was set up to take the fall for a vile crime that changed our country for the worse. It is truly disgusting what actually transpired.

It amazes me that people think there was/is this vast conspiracy to keep the truth from the American people and yet they are able to discover the "truth". And that no one involved in this conspiracy has ever leaked out a reasonable accounting for what happened.

Years later, sure. Information comes to light. People involved at a lower level have spoken out. It amazes me that people think there was no conspiracy, and LHO did it all by his lonesome. All available evidence says otherwise.

Not looking for a drawn out argument here. People are going to believe what they want. I'll just say that there is plenty of info out there now that will blow you away if you care to look.

Do you also believe RFK and MLK were killed by 'lone nuts'? Come on, people.

BBC sci-fi sitcom Red Dwarf came up with an original explanation. Admittedly it involves time travel -- President Kennedy, in disgrace after his second term collapsed in scandal, travelled back to 1963 with the help of a British astronaut from the distant future, disguised himself as a police officer, armed himself with the new M-16, took up post in the parking lot behind the fence on the famous grassy knoll, and shot himself so that he would always be remembered as the Great Lost Leader.

It makes about as much sense as the other conspiracy theories.

What about the wounding of Reagan or the murder of John Lennon? Lone nuts do do these things.

Sure, they 'do things'. Not all things though.

The JFK case shouldn't even be discussed in this thread. On one hand, you have Oswald, who ordered the murder weapon by mail, took photos with it in his back yard, was seen carrying a rifle sized bag to work on the day of the murder, was nowhere to been by any of his coworkers when JFK drove right past his work place, had his finger prints all over the murder weapon that was found at the sniper's nest, was heard firing the rifle by people on the floor right below the sniper's nest, killed a cop an hour later and tried to fight his way out of being arrested in a movie theater.

Then on the other hand, you have literally zero evidence of any shots being fired from anywhere else than the Texas School Book Depository.

It's as open and shut as murder cases get.

Everything you just wrote is incorrect. Clearly you haven't bothered to really research this. Sadly, you're far from the only one.

Oh wow, what a convincing argument. The good old "the evidence is wrong because I say so". Classic conspiracy loon line of thinking. Have fun with that.

I'm not looking to put forth an argument, but I can point you towards resources that would enlighten you. I've done an obscene amount of research on the subject, have you? Does not appear so. Have a great day!

For what it's worth, I have read almost anything that is available on the JFK case. I got very fascinated by the case 7-8 years ago, and I started reading up on everything. Reading books, websites, online forums, transcripts of interviews. I spent hundreds and hundreds of hours reading it. I was so convinced at some point there had to be a conspiracy.

Until at the end, I realized there wasn't any actual evidence of any conspiracy. All the actual evidence pointed towards Oswald. All the weird occurances were not really weird. The witness accounts claimed to back up a second shooter didn't really back it up once I read the full transcripts.

Oswald did it. There's nothing that puts a shooter anywhere else in the area. Nobody saw a shooter anywhere else, nobody found a weapon anywhere else, nobody found shells anywhere else, no bullet holes matched with shots from anywhere. And there were so many people in the area that it would have been almost impossible for a shooter to not be seen by anyone(which is why Oswald was seen by multiple people in the sniper's nest).

But of course, the conspiracies are more fun and intriguing, so some people are always gonna believe those.

No, conspiracies do actually happen. But no conspiracy has ever been evidenced in the case of the Kennedy assassination. The schizoid (that is, 'split-off') mentality of conspiracy theorists simply requires them to claim their own separateness from, and superiority to, the common run of 'sheeple' by advancing absurd and arcane arguments based on pseudo-information, which, of course, most people in their right minds are not going to accept.

I mean it's not absolute proof, but when you have Babs on your side things aren't looking good.

Do tell, what exactly have you to read to make you believe such nonsense?

What kind of research have you done?

This **** just makes me sad.

When my father died in a plane crash in 2002, I got two emails from conspiracy theorists trying to explain to me that he was killed as part of some mysterious conspiracy. The JFK conspiracists are in never-never land.

I've read a significant amount about this, both from conspiracists and from debunkers. The Warren commission wasn't perfect, but it absolutely came to the correct conclusion.

What's your evidence, Rich, for the very first fact articulated -- that Oswald owned a Manlicher-Carcano that he purchased via mail-order?

Did a short interview recently with an FSU professor who is also an expert on the Kennedy shooting, sorry for vertical video.

The major problem with this Coincidence Theory of yours is that the experts who studied the audio were among the top people on the planet - so there's no need for the 'scare quotes' around the word analysts (or the fatuous claim that they 'pretended' anything).

Investigators for the HSCA recovered dictabelt No. 10 and contacted the Acoustical Society of America for advice on an analysis of the recording. The ASA provided a short list of three laboratories with the required expertise, at the top of which was the Cambridge MA firm of Bolt, Baranek & Newman (now BBN Technologies). This was the laboratory which had analyzed the Watergate tapes. More importantly, this was the lab which had analyzed the Kent State shooting tapes, the first forensic application of acoustics in a criminal case.

So whoever told you there was something sketchy about who did the analysis for the Congressional Committee was lying to you and you were gullible enough to believe it.

When the pulses identified as likely gunfire found on the belt are matched to the Zapruder film, there is a match between audio and visual information. Hardly something likely to occur by chance.

Moreover, the echo pattern of sounds recorded were found to match Dealey Plaza - another indication that this recording was made at Dealey Plaza at the time of the assassination.

And when the location of the microphone that recorded was analyzed, it was discovered there 'just happened' to be one particular motorcycle whose microphone was known to stick in the open position exactly where predicted scientifically.

Not only did one team of world class acoustical experts examine the tapes, but a second team confirmed their results:

It was this order in the matching data, and not just the echo delay time matching, that convinced the acoustical experts that they had found the assassination gunfire on the Ch-1 recording. Importantly, one of these suspect sounds had matched to a test shot fired from the Grassy Knoll. Because of the controversial nature of these results the HSCA decided to seek a second opinion. The second laboratory on the ASA list, the computer science department at Queens College was asked to review the work of the BBN lab. These folks were the experts who write the computer programs for processing acoustical data, such as sonar, for military applications.

All the available evidence points at the strength acoustic evidence. It is irrational to believe otherwise.

This is another assertion which is factually wrong.

The evidence indicates that Oswald is the only person who has been scientifically excluded from firing a long gun at JFK or anyone else that day.

Ironic you are trying to prove your own superiority with this kind of idiotic psycho-babble.

As a matter of fact, people who claim they saw Oswald carry a paper bag into the building testified that the bag was too small to hide a rifle in. Better yet, people who met Oswald as he walked in the building didn't notice he carried anything at all, let alone a bizarre rifle-sized and rifle-shaped paper bag! LOL!

As a matter of fact Oswald's prints were not 'all over' the rifle placed in evidence. The FBI found no prints and no evidence that it had been processed for prints in Dallas. Someone lied to you, and now you are repeating that lie.

If indeed someone did hear a rifle being fired, there's no way to know who was firing the weapon based solely on the sound. It takes but a moment of rational thought to see why your claim is absurd.

It's funny how unsubstantiated claims like this are treated as if they were solid facts. But even if Oswald did shoot a policeman (which is doubtful), that is no evidence of shooting Kennedy.

If there was a fight in the movie theater, it could easily be explained as rough handling by cops who were told he was a cop killer. Again, this is no evidence against Oswald in the JFK assassination.

Except for eyewitness testimony, the photographic evidence of Kennedy being pushed back in his seat by a bullet, and the acoustical evidence...

Kennedy was certainly murdered, but the men who pulled the triggers are unknown to the public.

But just briefly going over your arguments, it's pretty obvious that it's full of false 'facts', irrelevancies, and unwarranted leaps of illogic.

Yeah that's the part that always gets me, about how many people would have to be in on it. But forget the cover up, is it at all possible that there was another shooter? Not necessarily that the government was involved, but could there have been someone else involved in some way?