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09-15-2017 , 07:09 PM
Proud,

You listed two books. If you had to pick one, which would it be? Let me know and I'll read it and report. With respect to Bugliosi it is my understanding that he was a meticulous researcher and claims to have read everyone of the sources and his bibliography. I obviously can't testify that that is true but I do believe that is what he claimed. Yes I do haveFamily connections on the issue. My father was a staff attorney on the Warren commission. I myself have been interviewed by a couple of authors writing books on the subject, and who wanted my take on my father's intellectual honesty probity and rebelliousness. I do not place blind trust in anything government does. But I believe the Warren commission got this one right and I believe that's demonstrably true.

I assume you know that Bugliosi put on a mock trial in this issue against Jerry Spence in London many years ago and the jury came back convincingly bugliosis way. Spence was on the side of the conspiracy therapist such as yourself that posited some other theory, I believe it was garrisons, are as to what actually happened.

My apologies for typos and otherwise in precise language. I'm dictating this as I drive.
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09-15-2017 , 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Andro
As for the Secret Service guy shooting JFK, it seems pretty far fetched.
It's not even possible. The famous Altgens photo of the approaching motorcade, taken after the first shot, with Mrs Kennedy trying to help her injured husband and a couple of the agents on the running boards of the back-up car just turning to look towards the School Book Depository, shows that Agent Hickey hasn't reacted much yet. So he did not have time to stand up in the car, pick up, raise, cock and load the AR-15 and then accidentally fire the thing before the fatal shot hit. Even if he did, the chances of his coincidentally hitting the exact target Oswald was aiming at would be vanishingly small.
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09-15-2017 , 07:17 PM
With respect to the poll and the views of the average person who doesn't know anything about the issue, I blame that on idiots like Oliver Stone. I should know his stork leave it when his silly movie came out my father challenged him to a debate and stone steadfastly refused to do so. I think it's quite clear from their exchange of letters that stone New perfectly well that he had no possibility of proving up the theory he articulated in the movie.
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09-15-2017 , 07:18 PM
Stone by the way is in my view a brilliant director, but his stories are pure fiction
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09-15-2017 , 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Howard Treesong
Proud,

You listed two books. If you had to pick one, which would it be? Let me know and I'll read it and report.
Destiny Betrayed (Second Edition) is probably the better of the two to get an overview of the whole case.

If a discussion of Bugliosi's book is of more interest to you, then Reclaiming Parkland would be more specific.

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With respect to Bugliosi it is my understanding that he was a meticulous researcher and claims to have read everyone of the sources and his bibliography. I obviously can't testify that that is true but I do believe that is what he claimed.
It's my understanding the book was co-written with Fred Haines and later Dale Myers. It could be some errors of fact are attributable to them.

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Yes I do have Family connections on the issue. My father was a staff attorney on the Warren commission. I myself have been interviewed by a couple of authors writing books on the subject, and who wanted my take on my father's intellectual honesty probity and rebelliousness. I do not place blind trust in anything government does. But I believe the Warren commission got this one right and I believe that's demonstrably true.
AFAICT I have no family, personal, or professional connections to either the Warren Commission and its supporters, nor to any of its critics. I believe that with respect to naming Oswald as the lone assassin of Kennedy is a demonstrably unsafe conclusion.

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I assume you know that Bugliosi put on a mock trial in this issue against Jerry Spence in London many years ago and the jury came back convincingly bugliosis way. Spence was on the side of the conspiracy therapist such as yourself that posited some other theory, I believe it was garrisons, are as to what actually happened.
Yes, I have heard about that particular mock trial, and also I am aware that several mock trials have been held and that they have come to a variety of verdicts.

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My apologies for typos and otherwise in precise language. I'm dictating this as I drive.
That is fine - it would be churlish to try and exploit typos or grammar as if such minutia were important.
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09-15-2017 , 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Howard Treesong
With respect to the poll and the views of the average person who doesn't know anything about the issue, I blame that on idiots like Oliver Stone. I should know his stork leave it when his silly movie came out my father challenged him to a debate and stone steadfastly refused to do so. I think it's quite clear from their exchange of letters that stone New perfectly well that he had no possibility of proving up the theory he articulated in the movie.
I'd suggest that Oliver Stone in writing the script for his film did much more research than his average critic.
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09-15-2017 , 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Didace
How do you feel about the flat earth?
Tell me why you think it is flat.
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09-15-2017 , 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by proudfootz
Tell me why you think it is flat.
I don't. I assumed you did.
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09-15-2017 , 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Didace
I don't. I assumed you did.
Well, there you go.

With any luck this will be a lesson to you not to jump to unwarranted conclusions.
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09-17-2017 , 06:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Andro
It's not really that interesing. Oswald was a mentally unstable wife-beating scum, who had ended up at a ****ty low wage job at the School Book Depository despite having huge hopes for his life and career. He wanted to be something, but he ended up as a nobody who could barely support his wife and child.

The murder of JFK was his chance to be something. He could write himself into history books. Besides the guy was a communist, so it's likely he thought he would become a hero among communists if he shot the POTUS.
if that was his motivation why did he steadfastly deny any knowledge of or participation in the assassination?
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09-17-2017 , 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by riverboatking
if that was his motivation why did he steadfastly deny any knowledge of or participation in the assassination?
He may not have thought it through. He was not the most stable guy you would meet in a day's march. People often want the notoriety without the punishment and they don't quite bother to resolve that contradiction. When he drew on an officer in the Texas Theater, after he'd already murdered Patrolman Tippit, he may have been tending towards suicide-by-cop in the usual sad manner of these self-dramatising killers who think they're somebodies.
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09-17-2017 , 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by riverboatking
if that was his motivation why did he steadfastly deny any knowledge of or participation in the assassination?
Yep, the 'did it for fame' idea takes all of two seconds to refute. All indications are this dog won't hunt.

I don't think Oswald shot anyone that day, and that he was telling the truth when he told reporters he was set up as a patsy.
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09-17-2017 , 05:18 PM
The idea that anyone but Oswald shot Kennedy is lunatic.
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09-17-2017 , 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Howard Treesong
The idea that anyone but Oswald shot Kennedy is lunatic.
what are your thoughts on the house committee on assassination's findings?
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09-17-2017 , 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Howard Treesong
The idea that anyone but Oswald shot Kennedy is lunatic.
Yup. Thinking Oswald didn't shoot JFK is on par with 9/11 conspiracy theories and flat earthers.
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09-17-2017 , 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Howard Treesong
The idea that anyone but Oswald shot Kennedy is lunatic.
the sad thing is we are in a huge minority. I bet if polled 9/10 people believe it's a conspiracy
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09-17-2017 , 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by hair loss at 19_
the sad thing is we are in a huge minority. I bet if polled 9/10 people believe it's a conspiracy
Including the government.

Generally accepted theory is a Mafia hit helped by a mole in the CIA.

There's a reason why a majority of records were sealed, and I doubt it's the reasons publicly given.

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09-17-2017 , 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Eeyorefora
Generally accepted theory is a Mafia hit helped by a mole in the CIA.
Generally accepted by lunatics.
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09-17-2017 , 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Didace
Generally accepted by lunatics.
So is religion,what's your point?


If testing LSD on soldiers,forced sterilization on Indian reservations,letting black men suffer from syphilis to see what happens, why isn't killing a political enemy a viable government conspiracy?



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09-17-2017 , 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Howard Treesong
The idea that anyone but Oswald shot Kennedy is lunatic.
You are wrong.

Anyone who thinks Oswald shot Kennedy is mistaken.
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09-17-2017 , 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Andro
Yup. Thinking Oswald didn't shoot JFK is on par with 9/11 conspiracy theories and flat earthers.
Wrong.

Anyone who thinks Oswald shot Kennedy is shockingly ignorant - much like creationists and climate change deniers.
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09-17-2017 , 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Eeyorefora
Including the government.

Generally accepted theory is a Mafia hit helped by a mole in the CIA.

There's a reason why a majority of records were sealed, and I doubt it's the reasons publicly given.
True - for a crime involving a guy with supposedly no government connections who just randomly got a lucky shot at JFK for no discernible reason, it seems that some folks in government were so scared they had to put tens of thousands of documents under top secret protocols.

How dumb would you have to be not to smell a rat?
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09-18-2017 , 06:02 AM
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Originally Posted by hair loss at 19_
the sad thing is we are in a huge minority. I bet if polled 9/10 people believe it's a conspiracy
Polls that just ask "was it a conspiracy?" typically get a majority saying yes.

However, polls that ask "Did Oswald shoot JFK?" also get a vast majority of people saying yes. The people who believe Oswald didn't shoot JFK are a very small minority.
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09-18-2017 , 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Howard Treesong
The idea that anyone but Oswald shot Kennedy is lunatic.
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Originally Posted by Andro
Yup. Thinking Oswald didn't shoot JFK is on par with 9/11 conspiracy theories and flat earthers.
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Originally Posted by hair loss at 19_
the sad thing is we are in a huge minority. I bet if polled 9/10 people believe it's a conspiracy
So sad. Anyone who has done the least bit of research on this topic knows this is bull****. Of course there was a conspiracy, a whole lot of very powerful/rich people had a plethora of motive. Do some reading ffs.
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09-18-2017 , 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by riverboatking
what are your thoughts on the house committee on assassination's findings?
The committee actually affirmed the findings of the Warren Commission that Oswald, so far as can be judged, acted alone, and they were drafting a report to this effect when at the last minute they were presented with a supposed acoustic analysis showing that a second gun was fired in Dealey Plaza and therefore there must have been a conspiracy. Not all of the committee were swayed by this but unfortunately the report was changed to accommodate this supposed evidence.

The acoustic analysis was subsequently reviewed and found to be worthless. The police radio transmission was made after the shooting and some distance from Dealey Plaza and did not contain the gunshots, only random blips of static, some of which the 'analysts' pretended were gunshots.

To this day there is no evidence in the case which requires to be explained by assuming the involvement of anyone but Lee Oswald.

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