Plenty of evidence refutes the Warren Commission conclusion.

It seems there are a few fringe types who can't deal with the fact that you can't always trust the people in government to tell you the truth.

Not entirely sure why other people having a more sensible view should bother you so much.

Describe for me, in detail, precisely:

1) How does the cartridge "get into the chamber"?

2) What, precisely, causes the "dent" on the mouth and neck of the cartridge?

Almost all of the witnesses also said that they were not sure where the shots came from, and that they guessed due to the echoes they heard.

Yes, you can go to a rifle range, stand near the firing line, 30 yards will do, and prove to yourself whether or not there would be any doubt where the shots came from. But you'd also have to wear hearing protection because the shots at that range would be loud enough to damage your hearing.

Then remember that almost all of the witnesses said they were not sure, and could only guess, where the shots came from.

No actually.

There are unanswered questions w/r/t the Warren Commission conclusion.

There is no evidence refuting the conclusion.

The HSCA found as fact that all three cartridges recovered from the sixth floor of the Book Depository had been fired from Oswald's rifle and bore the unique marks of that rifle's firing pin and bolt face. They did not know where the crimp in the neck of cartridge 543 came from.

However, if you use a Carcano, these crimps are commonplace, and are caused by a lug in the bolt-guide channel. It depends how hard and fast you rack the bolt, and of course a just-fired cartridge, being hot, is more malleable. But it's commonplace.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/zimmerman...enu_000009.htm

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http://www.politico.com/magazine/sto...15716?lo=ap_b1

The Mannlicher-Carcano is designed to use a clip.



Why am I not surprised you don't know this?

There's any number of ways an empty cartridge could be dented.

As an interesting side note when discussing reloading used cartridges from the Carcano, no one seems to mention the alleged propensity of the Carcano to dent the shells.

So people within 30 yards of the alleged 'sniper nest' were confused by echoes? That would seem to mitigate against the validity or relevance of your firing range example.

I suppose that's why so many people around the TSBD reported hearing damage?



It would appear a real life situation where gunfire is not expected in a complex environment like a plaza with buildings all around is in some ways significantly different than going to a firing range where you know exactly where the firing line is and you know people will be shooting.

Yes, for an 'open and shut' murder case involving a 'lone nut' with no connections to anyone, it sure took a long time to release what's left of these records.

Sadly, some files turned up 'missing' from the vault of national security secrets.

https://www.salon.com/2017/09/10/mis...swald_partner/

Just another one of them coincidences.

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Well 50 years to lose (remove)any pertinent documents, how much hope can there be?

Cliffs on this thread for a non-American?

Oswald 1 Grassy Knoll 0 (80 mins)

There has been no evidence to date, literally none, that LHO was not the sole assassin.

There are some inconsistencies in the narrative. But this is often true when trying to piece together events. None of the inconsistencies, nor any subset of them taken in agregate, have been shown to preclude LHO from the given narrative, irrespective of some of the poorly understood details.

Motive remains an open question. This will likely always be the case.

Oswald did it. President Kennedy was killed, and Governor Connally wounded, from above and behind, by 6.5mm Carcano bullets provably fired by Oswald's rifle to the exclusion of all other weapons in the world. Patrolman Tippit was killed by revolver rounds fired from Oswald's .38 Smith & Wesson, to the exclusion of all other weapons in the world. Oswald drew the same revolver on Patrolman McDonald when resisting arrest in the Texas Theatre.

If anyone else conspired with Oswald, no evidence of any such conspiracy has ever come to light.

US President John Kennedy was murdered in 1963, followed by policy changes all across the board under the regime of his successor. Intelligent observers suspect this was an internal coup: especially in view that the alleged 'assassin' was obviously framed and a coverup by many powerful institutions was enforced for many decades.

The suspect was never able to defend himself against allegations that he killed Kennedy due to his being murdered while in police custody. Oh, well!

The fact that the US government kept the current batch of tens of thousands of documents secret for a couple of generations is enough to show that cabals and institutions in our the government can keep secrets when they choose to.

A few fringe types still buy the nonsense cover story promoted by honorable men like J Edgar Hoover and Allen Dulles, but most people in the USA and around the world acknowledge the assassination was part of a conspiracy.

We already know some documents got 'disappeared' while out of sight and out of mind.

Supposedly the US can't keep secrets, yet these documents were kept under wraps long enough for someone to be born, get a college education, marry, raise their family, see their children marry, and get to know their grandchildren.

This just goes to show the notion that 'secrets can't be kept' is moronic nonsense spouted by idiots who have no clue.

Proud, thoughts on E.Hunt confession to his son?

It doesn't enter into my judgement on the case.

Conspiracy theorists massively overthink the record in the case. There is not one shred of affirmative evidence to suggest a conspiracy. These folk also often assert that they’re brighter than others, but I leave it to others to judge the truth of those assertions.

I’m still reading Parkland. It’s been a rough week on my end, but I hope to make more progress shortly.

ya this thread was pretty eye opening.

I am just another middle class white merican that grew up in the 80s and 90s and it was always kinda taken for granted that something fishy went on. this was before the internet so tv was our source of info. and network tv had no shortage of JFK assassination theory shows. I am talking about big name shows like dateline and 60 minutes and all that.

without really being able to study it and needing to go to the library to get any sort of information, I grew up just figuring that the oswald story was a long shot and there was a good chance it was something else.

this thread has pretty much ended that idea in my head. and it has not been bc of anything the oswald, single gunman, posters have said or bc of any of the evidence they have presented.

it has simply been bc ppl like richgangi, and proudfootz have been terrible at presenting their arguments or evidence. really, rich is the worst.

and its not like the establisment guys have come off great either. howard clearly has a bias due to his father. but he is a million times better at keeping it in check and actually addressing the issues.

the conspiracy guys just act like anyone who doesnt agree is brainwashed while also being unable to actually present a proper hypothesis.

so ya, learn something every day on some days.

I'm of a similar mind. Before this thread, I'd have put Oswald alone at about 75%. Due to the terrible posting by the conspiracy theorists in this thread, I'm more like 95%. I disagree that RichGangi is worse than proudfootz though.

Doesn't that seem a little fishy to you? I mean, what are the odds? Wouldn't you expect at least one random thing to be out of place? Obvious coverup.

There are plenty of conflicts in the evidence, as I would expect in a politically-loaded investigation of something like this where nobody involved wanted to be embarrassed. But there are no coherent or reasonable alternatives to LHO being the lone assassin.

I understand the embarrassment point, by the way. Phil Shenon interviewed me for his book and asked me questions about my father I refused to answer. None of them are in any way related to a conspiracy or cover-up.