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11-04-2018 , 02:30 PM
My body shop story: My parked car gets backed into by someone pulling out of a driveway, she gives me her contact info, and tells me to have the body shop send them the bill. Rear door and quarter panel need to be replaced.

I give them the woman's contact info so he can confirm they'll pay, and he asks me, "Do you know who she is?"

"No."

"She owns [multinational manufacturing plant]. She's the richest person in town. You know, your front door is starting to rust a bit. I can replace that for you too and charge her for it. She can afford it; she'll never even look at the bill."

I didn't take him up on his offer.
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11-04-2018 , 02:57 PM
Two points need to be made about this thread.

1. This car is never getting repaired. The damage is far too minor to be worth fixing versus the cost of repair. The vehicle is still totally operable. When this thing gets sold, this damage will not affect the value in any way. This is a blatant cash grab by the villains. If you feel badly offer them $200 to STFU and go away.

2. This is entirely villainess's fault. The second thing you learn after the fact that the garage door goes up and down when you press the button is that somebody can press the button at an inopportune time. You don't park your car or put anything in the path of the garage door. If you do, and somebody closes the door, that's on you. The entire concept that OP owes money is ridiculous. The minivan should not be in the garage in the first place. The hatch should be down as soon as the villainess goes in her house.
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11-04-2018 , 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by gregorio
My body shop story: My parked car gets backed into by someone pulling out of a driveway, she gives me her contact info, and tells me to have the body shop send them the bill. Rear door and quarter panel need to be replaced.

I give them the woman's contact info so he can confirm they'll pay, and he asks me, "Do you know who she is?"

"No."

"She owns [multinational manufacturing plant]. She's the richest person in town. You know, your front door is starting to rust a bit. I can replace that for you too and charge her for it. She can afford it; she'll never even look at the bill."

I didn't take him up on his offer.
humble brag: I hob nob with the richest people in town!

I once asked the autoglass guy if hed tint the windows on my truck and just tack that price onto the cost of replacing the rear siding glass window since someone else was having to pay for it. He happily obliged.

I don't feel guilty tho cuz it was the POS criminal that broke into my truck and stole my stereo and got caught who had to pay for it, heh.
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11-04-2018 , 04:01 PM
So one of my three buddies got t boned earlier this year and this was the damage

The other driver was at fault and their insurance paid. He chose the best rated bodyshop near him downtown which is about 10 minutes from where I live. Here was his quote.



Labor is high but not as high (lol California). The damage is obviously night and day and the quote is laughably similar in total.
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11-04-2018 , 05:56 PM
Hell is other people.
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11-04-2018 , 06:20 PM
I would make a framed 24x18 poster with a picture of damages and a quote side-by-side and gift it to a van owner
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11-04-2018 , 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Big_Bad_Bill
1. Labor rates seem incredibly high. Our shop is in Fairfax, Virginia, one of the highest cost-of-living areas in the country, and we are at $44 (labor) and $28 (paint materials). $82 and $50 seem insanely high. I'm wondering if that's standard for your area, or if the shop jacked it up for this customer/estimate.

2. 1 hour paint time on the handle and .3 R&I (remove and inspect) for the body man seem reasonable. 1 hour repair on the handle doesn't make sense; the body man is not doing mudding or metal repair, and the paint shop will always sand a part when prepping it for paint, which is all the "repair" the handle needs. My body techs would consider 1.0 repair on that handle to be "gravy", ie, free money. Also, a new handle lists for $67.50 (I think part # is 5RP08PTEAA); charging $82 labor to fix a part that costs $67 to replace is more "gravy" for the shop, especially when there is no actual "repair" being done to the handle.

3. I may be wrong, but from the pictures, I figured the marks on the lift gate could be buffed out. They are charging you to paint the entire lift gate, plus they are charging you for buff/polish (line 13 on the estimate). To me, that is overkill and double-charging. Overkill, as in, even if the marks won't buff out, you don't need to paint the entire liftgate, just do a "spot-blend", ie, only paint the part of the liftgate affected, which would be maybe 1.5 paint time vs. the 3.9 they have on there. And charging for paint time AND buffing is, to me, double-charging. If the marks buff out, the gate doesn't need painted. If they are painting the gate, it shouldn't need buffing. If our shop has to buff a panel we have already painted, it's because the painter messed up and got dust in the paint or has drips on the panel; charging a customer for painting AND buffing the same panel is never done at our shop and would be considered double-charging.

4. Replacing the nameplates is only necessary if the entire gate were to be painted; not needed if the gate were being buffed or spot-blended.

5. Bottom line: this is what my shop would call a "fat" estimate. It would be written for a customer whose business we don't want. I am guessing the body shop might actually just: R&I the handle and paint it, and buff the lift gate, which SHOULD translate to: .3 labor for R&I handle, 1.0 paint labor & 1.0 paint materials to paint handle, 1.0 labor for buffing lift gate. Even at their exorbitant rates, that would be a total estimate of 2.3 x 82 + 1 x 50 = $238.60 + odds & ends, maybe $260-280.

Again, from the pictures, it looks like the marks on the lift gate are buffable, but even if the gate needs painted, painting the whole gate seems excessive; charging for full paint time AND buffing seems dishonest; charging .5 to tint the paint also seems excessive. IF the gate did actually need to be FULLY painted, not just spot-blended, THEN it would be normal to charge for R&I tail lamps, replacing emblems, hazardous waste, and mask vehicle for overspray.

Get that friend-of-friend of your wife's to write an estimate in the $300 dollar range, take it to this guy, and tell him you will pay $300 for the repair, not his fat $1100 estimate.
Thanks for this.
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11-04-2018 , 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Alobar
Johnny,

If you end up paying, can you PM their address. It would bring me great pleasure to key the living **** out of their ****ty van after it gets painted.
Absolutely. Karma may be a *****, but we can certainly lend her a hand. Go ahead and post the address. Then there'll be too many suspects to ever figure out which one of us did it.
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11-04-2018 , 10:16 PM
Have to say I am glad I'm based in Australia so will be very low down on the list of suspects. Oh wait, ha ha, we all know they'll look no further than Alobar! Scratch away people.
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11-04-2018 , 10:22 PM
Would be fantastic if this was one of those role-reversal OP's and the Truants were actually the minvan owners, just sticking it to the poor saps who closed the garage door
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11-05-2018 , 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by chopstick
OTT is already paying for it with this thread
so much this.

but obviously whomever closed the door created the damage. they should pay.
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11-05-2018 , 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Johnny Truant
Does my wife have personal clumsy insurance? No.

Well, she just got home. New info. The van is a year and a half old—when she said new I assumed dealer plates still. The scratches are ****ing lol small, but if they are taking it in to get repaired I am assuming they want the whole thing repainted. I’m kinda agitated now.
damn. that is minor. (pics deleted because having to scroll over the same pics multiple times is annoying)

unfortunately for you, this is one of the those hierarchy things between women, where one woman thinks she is more important than another woman and therefore insists that the other woman compensate her. or, doesn't want the other woman to think that she is more important than her and insists that she be compensated.

either way, if you decide that you don't want to pay for something so minor, it will end up haunting your family for as long as you continue live in this particular burb. this is how America works.
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11-16-2018 , 10:21 AM
Did we come to any sort of agreement on this matter?
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11-16-2018 , 11:31 AM
My wife has bumped into her a few times and had friendly exchanges. The last word was she was going call around. No update. I did get to see another pic my wife took and in broad daylight from a few feet away it is invisible.
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11-16-2018 , 10:50 PM
Sounds like a pretty good outcome so far.
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11-19-2018 , 03:36 AM
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Originally Posted by bigalbr
Two points need to be made about this thread.

1. This car is never getting repaired. The damage is far too minor to be worth fixing versus the cost of repair. The vehicle is still totally operable. When this thing gets sold, this damage will not affect the value in any way. This is a blatant cash grab by the villains. If you feel badly offer them $200 to STFU and go away.

2. This is entirely villainess's fault. The second thing you learn after the fact that the garage door goes up and down when you press the button is that somebody can press the button at an inopportune time. You don't park your car or put anything in the path of the garage door. If you do, and somebody closes the door, that's on you. The entire concept that OP owes money is ridiculous. The minivan should not be in the garage in the first place. The hatch should be down as soon as the villainess goes in her house.
Yup, they're trying to get high quotes to make some cash with no intention of actually having the work done. They're up to their eyeballs in debt and trying to grab a quick $1200.
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