nah

I'm a psychologist in a mental hospital. I work with criminals everyday. I can assure you that there are far more serial killers, rapists, child molesters, etc. out there than most people realize. The ones you hear about are the ones the media decides to talk about for whatever reason. For every high profile killer, I would say there are probably 100 that people aren't aware of simply because of lack of media exposure.

Most aren't nearly as sophisticated or intelligent as the high profile ones are. Maybe that's why the media picks them up. It seems a bit "scarier" if it's someone intelligent and/or in a position of power.

The Original Night Stalker is even creepier (also called the East Area Rapist, Golden State Killer).

There was a town hall meeting discussing the rapes and murders and some guy stood up and wsID he would never let a guy come in his house and rape and/or kill he and his wife. Months later he was killed by the Night Stalker/East Area Rapists

He would call his rape victims after the fact and do all kinds of other creepy ****.

He was never caught.

I'm also fascinated and frustrated by The Zodiac. Always hoped some family member would find a trunk in the attic of grandpa full of mementos from his crimes and realize grandpa was the Zodiac.

Maybe the killer was offended by horrible grammar. Always gives me the urge to kill.

Yea, sorry but I'm gonna call you out on that. Can you cite peer reviewed articles on that? I know rape and child molestation is very high, but serial killing? Not saying you are wrong but I don't buy it.

Edit: I know serial killing is killing 2 people or more. So in that case, you may be right. But I don't think the general public thinks of a serial killer as someone that killed 2 people. I would say the number should start at 5. But that's just me. So you may be very well correct under the definition of serial killing. I'd still like to see the proof.

Man I've read the Albert Fish letters but jeez, reading this was a punch in the gut.

Technically, it's three or more AND they have to be at different times. Otherwise, it's a spree killer and not serial. Whether or not you believe it doesn't mean it isn't true. I never said serial killing is "high" or even as high as rape or child molestation. I said it's higher than people realize because it is. I can think of multiple ones I currently work with that you, or anyone in the public, has never heard of (aside, perhaps, from the families of the victims). One of which was a hitman. If you were to factor in all the hitmen, gang members, mentally ill, and prison killers; the number is quite high.

zodiac is completely interesting, lots of methods used, lots of locations, direct engage with press (in this times im sure it wouldnt be possible as in his was), cyphered messages and a good 2-4 theories about who he is/was.

I gues he just never shared his past/was a loner and didnt keep any evidence at all to not be found by now. and he probably never will

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Rader

BTK (blind torture kill) killer is a sick human being, he got caught because after a long time of sending written letters to the police, he sent a computer file (not sure if disquette or cd or something) and they traced the pc.

Those who have posted that they havent heard any serial millings in a while may find this interesting:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long..._serial_killer

Was relatively recent and still unsolved.

I always wished they would show more of the BTK interrogation tapes

He was mad at the police for lying to him... like why did you guys lie to me about the computer disk? I thought we had a good thing going

Then you better stay clear of my posts amigo, my grammar and spelling are horrible and seem to be getting worse by the day

Are you sure there is no centralized data base? The COP tells me about cases about similar crimes happening in my community and the neighboring communities before the general public knows of them. I never ask him how he specifically gets his info, but I have seen him make a search on his computer, then give me info.

I agree. The sooner the better. This is a big issue with my buddy. Be proactive. Before crimes escalate. More info is better. Better decision are made. Easier to catch bad guys.

To be fair to Law Enforcement, those crimes were committed 48 years ago. I can only speculate, but I am sure that improvements in procedures have been made since then.

You got to be somewhat intelligent to get away with multiple murders. And 99.999% of intelligent people don't commit multiple murders. Especially when there isn't money involved and it is just the thrill of the kill.

The Unabomber was "smart" in that he was a professor and got away with so many murderers over many years.

No, you don't need to be even somewhat intelligent. The only thing you need to be smart enough about is victim selection. You have to have the willingness and callousness to do horrible things but that doesn't make you intelligent. Does it help to be smart? Absolutely. Is it necessary to be intelligent to kill multiple times? Absolutely not.

It does not take intelligence to kill. It takes intelligence to get away with murder. It takes a special type of intelligence to get away with multiple murders over many years.

If the police want to solve a murder, they invariably do. To stay out of the cross-hairs of a task force and FBI is nearly impossible. A completely random murder is rare.

I think you watch too many movies. Task force? FBI? Prostitutes and homeless don't get the kind of police attention you think they do. I'm telling you, I work with them everyday. I give them therapy and talk to them in-depth about what they've done. Most are not intelligent at all and happened to get away with their crimes for awhile through luck, evidence technicalities, and/or limited police intervention/allocation of resources.

All that being said, my guys all got caught at some point. But often times, it wasn't until years and years after the offenses were committed. Yes, there are some smart ones who continue to get away with it but for the most part, they aren't that bright. Just lucky. And eventually, that luck runs out.

Intelligence is an asset in almost everything in life. But in this, "street smarts" trumps IQ score. AINEC.

For example, Bundy's intelligence is wildly overestimated by almost every casual observer.

You are absolutely correct that you can get away with killing marginalized members of society.

To get away with multiple killings of "value" citizens is extremely challenging. You have to possess some "sick" intelligence. You need to know how to leave a crime scene with no evidence of involvement. Nowadays, you better make sure there is no digital footprint either.

Yes, I would agree with that. However, the number of killings of citizens of "value" is extremely low compared to those considered to be of "less value." So we'll agree that the rare killers who target citizens of "value" require a certain level of twisted intelligence to get away with it while the majority who target the other types of citizens don't need nearly the same level of sophistication or intelligence.

Also as you pointed out, killing a drug-addicted prostitute in a homeless encampment isn't going to make any news. Killing a 45-year old mom at her residence will engender town-hall meetings and outcries that the police better do something.

I think with DNA and technology it is a lot harder to get away with crimes than it was in the 70s and 80s.

You are given 6 high profile people in a town to eliminate.

You:
-Can't use a hit man.
-Can't use a high-powered rifle to shoot from a distance.
-Murder can only happen at work or home.
-Two of the victims you have to kidnap and execute them at a different place.
-Need to take something of value
from each victim as proof.
-Each victim has to be taken out in a two-month interval. For example, the first victim's name will be provided January 1, and you have until February 28th to eliminate them. You get a new name March 1.
-You need to send one letter to the media and one letter to the police mocking them and tell them they will never find you. You need to inform the police if they try to work on this case, they will be the next target.
-You are allowed to use misdirection. You can tell the police your next victim will be Michael, even though it is Jason.

I doubt more than one out of a thousand people could fully get away with it.


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Silly exercise for your argument. Not at all related to real life.

Christ, if he's going to be this bad he needs to go back to the pet thread.

Of course not. That is why you have 10,000 murderers a year and only a few that make history. To separate themselves, there has to be something unique. Otherwise, this thread would just be about stories about convicted felons that committed homicide. For certain reasons, some have captured the fancy of the media and public. The rest we throw away the key and wish them eternity in hell if we can't fry them immediately. Ted Bundy though the court wishes that he takes care of himself.