What rights do you forgo? Nothing in his post is wrong. The only thing different between a private business and a public place in the US is that the Constitutional amendments don't apply to the private businesses.

He has every right to tell them to **** off. Whether they can detain him or not varies by state and generally what he said about "reasonable belief". I fully support people telling these stores to **** off. He would be forgoing his right to do so by actually complying.

But **** Walmart, anyway. I don't shop there because I don't support many of their ideals, and I think they are a net negative for society. Plus, Stan Kroenke is a horrible human being, and supporting Walmart means I'm supporting him.

So what's the difference between complying with your conditions of membership and conditions of entry which one might also be that you have to prove your purchases before you go? Is it just with your Costco one you have more to lose by not complying (loss of savings, rewards, etc). Both obligations on you surely once you decide to enter the premises or sign up?

Well I'm sure when you sign up with Costco they tell you that is a condition, whereas I've never seen a sign in Walmart stating so.

Walmart can ban you, but it's basically impossible for them to enforce something like that. Costco you actually need your membership, so if they revoked it, clearly you can't shop there anymore. And just because you say something doesn't necessarily mean you have the right to do it.

True. This sign is 1) why I refuse to shop at Hobby Lobby and 2) not an accurate description of their actual legal right to search.

To be fair, it does say you can refuse to cooperate. Lol

Is that real? If so, **** hobby lobby.

When you join Costco, you sign a contract with them identifying what they give you and what you give them. You freely reach an agreement with them and you even have to pay them for the privilege of coming in to their store. That is the very model of how to define what you expect. I’m actually not 100% sure that Costco really could make you do the receipt thing if you refused, but I’m old fashioned and honor agreements I make with people and let them do their stupid receipt thing because I signed my name saying I would. I will admit it does still annoy me to wait in line to show my receipt.

Putting a sign on the wall, contrary to popular opinion, doesn’t do a damn thing to define the agreement between parties. They could put a sign on the wall that said if my total purchase price ended in .69 exactly that they get to punch me in the face, but that doesn’t make it so. They can’t post a sign that says they can search my bag on the way out or fondle my wife or take my dog or any other nonsense. They can impose restrictions on me before I enter — I’m not allowed in without searching my bag or wearing a shirt or most anything like that and I either agree or they don’t let me in. But they can’t make me let them do it, I don’t have to wear a shirt or let the search my bag and they don’t have to let me in (assuming a non-discriminatory reason, of course).

Signs are only effective to give notice that they intend to do something they already have the right to do. They can not invent a new right just because they wrote it down. A commonly misunderstood one is the “no returns” sign. Stores don’t have to take returns just because you changed your mind. However if the product is defective and you had no way to know that when you bought it, the store is obligated under law to give you your money back. It doesn’t matter if they had a hundred signs saying “all sales are final” “no returns or exchanges” — defective products must be reimbursed without store credit or restocking fees.

Not sure whether this is actually true or just corporate spin/PR, but as per a bunch of recent articles based on a reddit thread, this one included, the checks at the door at Costco et al aren't actually for loss prevention:

Yeah, that's real. And definitely **** Hobby Lobby, for many reasons.

Sad, as I actually liked some of the stuff there. Much harder for me to not shop there than Wally World.

Montecore that is the biggest load of bull**** ever concocted from big box stores.

The whole Costco receipt thing is BS theater anyhow. I often buy a $100 restaurant gift card for $80 there and they have to fetch it from the cage and I always put it in my pocket. Therefore the count in my cart is always one less than the receipt and I have never once had the door person express alarm at the mismatch — they just swipe that sucker with a highlighter. They always make a show of counting down the cart, though!

I especially like when they are crowded and there is a long line and I have 50 items in the cart. They wave their highlighter at the cart for a minute like they are doing something and swipe it. Either they are some kind of Rainman counting savant or they are just faking it. Also they must have X-ray vision to see the stuff on the bottom through all the other crap.

Because some sign on a window saying I have to prove my purchases on the way out isn't a valid condition of entry. Why would I let someone enforce something on me they have zero legal right to do?

HEY, let's get back on track here. Nobody gives a rats ass about all that ****...
What are some other things with which olds have gotten away?
Going to Walmart tomorrow - hope they let me in...

Well that depends on what you consider reasonable and standard. Is it standard for businesses to have a sign or policy about this? Yeah - so that makes it reasonable and in the eyes of the law you can be lawfully detained if you fail to comply where your conduct justifies it.

Do they have an in store Subway? If I ever feel the need to spray a soda all over a ff restaurant a Walmart Subway will probably be the venue

Why are you lame asses so bad at normal social interactions you run away from the receipt checker simply because "uh uh, you can't make me. I have my rights!"?

Australia sounds like a horrible place.

This has to be a level, right? You believe that a company can do anything they want so long as it is “reasonable and standard” and as long at it meets that condition they can legally detain you if you don’t follow it? This is so ridiculously unlike how the law actually works as to actually be kind of charming.

You must be seriously deprived of “normal social interactions” if your idea of a good time is waiting in line for the clerk to eyeball your receipt. If you get lucky he might drop a sweet comment about the weather.

I didn't say the actual act that justifies the detaining had to be reasonable and standard but just the decision to have the sign or the policy in the first place. Of course not every denial is going to end in you getting detained but given that you have had fair warning of the sign or policy and if you act like a dick around the store and then refuse to show what is in your bag then expect to get detained (or a citizen's arrest as it is legally called).

Thankfully that's not how it works in America. At least for the time being

Lighten up you bunch of pantie-sniffing, Prius-driving, scarf-wearing yuppies.
Life is not that hard.
Relax!!!

Saw this at my home town Walmart parking lot a while back. Only place to buy groceries is there or a Brookshire Brothers. Small town in West Texas. Dude stayed overnight because I saw it the next day as well. And nobody batted an eye.




5'11 - 195 lbs. - Turned 53 yesterday.

You should have taken a peek under that tarp.

You know redbuck would have.

A citizen’s arrest is only permitted by a witness who saw a law being broken. If someone saw me shoplift, they could obviously qualify. Posting a sign does not pass a law.