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When will humans not have to work? When will humans not have to work?

10-30-2019 , 08:22 PM
We shouldn’t even aspire to not work.

All life evolves in stressful, physically tough environments. The more leisure time and easy living conditions we have, the less capable we become. Look at Americans- we have it easy and we can hardly do the basics as a country anymore.
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10-30-2019 , 08:30 PM
What do you do for a living, bluto?
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10-30-2019 , 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by LektorAJ
Farming robots will make a big difference to a lot of things and they're being rolled out now. We won't necessarily need to be so plugged in to the world economy as we are now if we just have our own garden robots bringing us fresh food from the garden all the time.
I've heard that farmers are super satisfied with John Deere.

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Originally Posted by BrianTheMick2
The good thing is that most of the problems don't need to be solved.
Taking the warehousing example, let's pretend that AI truck driving is entirely solved and no human is needed for the transport.

The truck gets to the dock. The dock has 10,000 boxes that need to be put on the least amount of trucks possible, as each extra truck cost money.

Someone earning $10 / hour at UPS would be able to solve this riddle.

A computer cannot complete this task before the heat death of the universe. It can somewhat do it, heuristically, but it's definitely not able to come up with the best solution.
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10-30-2019 , 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by daveT
A computer cannot complete this task before the heat death of the universe. It can somewhat do it, heuristically, but it's definitely not able to come up with the best solution.
A human does it heuristically too. Do you think the human solves this perfectly every time?
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10-31-2019 , 02:32 AM
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Originally Posted by daveT
I've heard that farmers are super satisfied with John Deere.



Taking the warehousing example, let's pretend that AI truck driving is entirely solved and no human is needed for the transport.

The truck gets to the dock. The dock has 10,000 boxes that need to be put on the least amount of trucks possible, as each extra truck cost money.

Someone earning $10 / hour at UPS would be able to solve this riddle.

A computer cannot complete this task before the heat death of the universe. It can somewhat do it, heuristically, but it's definitely not able to come up with the best solution.
Just like in evolution, the solution only needs to be good enough. We still haven't solved the morning team meetings problem, yet businesses persist.

I personally don't think we get there super soon or that it will really matter.
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10-31-2019 , 03:18 PM
Who wins the World Series matters. Little else does.

Well, Beer matters also. But you already knew that.
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10-31-2019 , 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Crich
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42170100

Robot automation will 'take 800 million jobs by 2030' - report


If robots take all our jobs what jobs will remain for humans?
If humans don't have jobs, they don't have money and can't buy anything that robots built, so effectively using robots to do all jobs will put companies out of business.
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10-31-2019 , 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Suit
If humans don't have jobs, they don't have money and can't buy anything that robots built, so effectively using robots to do all jobs will put companies out of business.
Humans will still successfully compete with robots for jobs. The infinite stream of payments paid to a human to do a job still has a finite present value. If that present value is less than the cost of automating the job, using human labor is more cost effective. The cost of automating includes the development costs, equipment costs, and the present value of future maintenance and energy costs. Additionally, human labor is more versatile than automated systems, and will be for a long time. Humans can be more easily switched from one type of job to another, as needed.

There is also the concept of comparative advantage:

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David Ricardo developed the classical theory of comparative advantage in 1817 to explain why countries engage in international trade even when one country's workers are more efficient at producing every single good than workers in other countries. He demonstrated that if two countries capable of producing two commodities engage in the free market, then each country will increase its overall consumption by exporting the good for which it has a comparative advantage while importing the other good, provided that there exist differences in labor productivity between both countries. Widely regarded as one of the most powerful yet counter-intuitive insights in economics, Ricardo's theory implies that comparative advantage rather than absolute advantage is responsible for much of international trade.
This concept can be applied, instead of to different countries, to humans and robots. If robots get to the point where they are better than humans at everything, it still makes sense to use the robots only on the tasks they are best at, and allow humans to do other tasks for which the robots do not have as large an advantage over us.

As technology increases production, and as automation disconnects the productivity of the economy from the number of people working, the cost of consumer goods will go down, and humans can afford to buy just as many goods and services as they do now, with much less money and much less labor.
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11-03-2019 , 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by whatthejish
What do you do for a living, bluto?
I sit behind a desk, and I’ve suffered physically and emotionally because of it.
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11-03-2019 , 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by bluto
I sit behind a desk, and I’ve suffered physically and emotionally because of it.
Go for a hike
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11-03-2019 , 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by BrianTheMick2
Go for a hike
Mowed the lawn instead.
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