Often the best way to get a lifelong BMC drinker interested in craft beer is to offer them something completely different than what they're used to.

ABV should not be a primary driver of price.

Can't go wrong with a Blue Moon and an orange slice.

I asked for that in the Rio, but the cocktail waitress said they didn't have oranges.

That is a crying shame. The beer by itself is already one of my top choices, but with that extra orange flavor it really makes the beer.

Just had a bottle of Firestone Walker XV - may be one of the best bottles of beers I've ever had in my life.

http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/2210/75013

http://www.ratebeer.com/beer/firesto...-15-xv/157928/

Guinness is more watery to me than BMC imo. At least in USA

I used to really like Schlitze, the beer that made Millaukee famous. I don't even know if they make it anymore.

Had a Founders Backwoods Bastard last night - a throw in from a trade I made earlier in the day. Great beer! I really loved it, but not as much as this guy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csbiis8jI4Q

as RDH also said, what does abv have to do with the price? Higher abvs don't necessarily mean they are better beers or should be more expensive.

I think you need to change your definition of what a macrobrew is if you're calling sam adams a macrobrew. While they are large for a craft brew, they are nowhere close to the production of miller, coors, and anheuser-busch

it's also a bit much to judge on sam adams if all you've had is their boston lager. I'd also say that you need to try more lagers if you are equating the boston lager to budweiser, et al.

All I'm saying is trying to convince a Budweiser bro that he should buy Guinness which is twice as much money, tastes nothing like he likes, and is almost 20% less alcohol is a bad idea. Start him with some Sierra Nevada, or maybe some of the milder pale ales from places like Stone or O'dell.

Maybe everyone else is Mr. Moneybags but the ABV to price ratio is important to me. I'm generally not going to buy a 5.0 %for $12/6 pack when I can get a 8.0% 2xIPA for the same price and I wouldn't recommend new craft beer drinkers to do it either. The alcohol level of a beer directly adds to my "enjoyment" of it and my personal tastes tend to lean towards doubles anyways. While I don't really think Guinness is all that bad and I enjoy one on occasion, the huge import price combined with the 4.2% is a big turn off and prevents me from recommending it to anyone.

And since I'm somehow sober I'm not going to embarrass myself again by trying to convince people that all american light lagers are the same.

Coronas baby and on that note its beer o'clock and grind time.

grue, your point is still rather hollow. Sort by ABV, get the best beer is just a false notion (if I'm reading what you are saying right).

A 6 pack of a solid craft beer is generally around $10. My store sells 4 pks of Guiness in 16oz cans (so, the same amount of beer as in a 6 pack) for $7.49 and a 6 pk (of normal 12oz bottles) for $8.49. This is pretty standard pricing. On top of that, if you are buying good DIPAs that will be between 7.5-10%, the bombers will usually cost at least $9 and if you are buying two, you've just dropped $18 when you can get two four packs of guiness for that amount of money and still have some money left over

But, that shouldn't factor in ABV at all. ABV doesn't really tell too much about the quality of a beer. I've had some beers that have been destroyed by having way too high of an ABV and I've had some utterly great beers that have been right around 5%.

so you wouldn't drink your favorite DIPAs (or favorite beers) if they had no alcohol content but tasted the exact same as they do now? a lot of people drinking expensive crafts aren't doing it to get buzzed or drunk, they enjoy the taste and while i can't speak for others ABV has nothing to do with what i enjoy or pick out when i go to the store. if a beer has high ABV but is well balanced and tastes great then thats a positive i suppose but beers can be ruined if that high ABV is overpowering everything else going on in the beer...like KDawg said there are great tasting beers that are in the 4-6% range and discriminating against them seems kind of silly unless you're just drinking to get drunk

well, in a way abv does matter to an extent for me. But, it's more in gauging what I'm going to drink that night and how much. But, as far as overall enjoyment, I fully agree with you.

I certainly notice that my personal sweet spot for the beers I really enjoy and drink more frequently are in the 4-6.5% range. They don't frequently blow out my palate and there are lots of beers in that range that also bring a lot of flavor without doing what I just mentioned

i like my beer to be around 5.5-6.5

too much out of that range and i'm either not getting my monies worth or getting way to drunk. that being said i love green flash imperial...

I'm with Grue. If I'm spending more $ on beer, I'd like for it to not only taste better but to have a higher alcohol content. I don't want to drink X number of beers to get a good buzz on when I can drink X/2, pee less, and not have to get up to retrieve as many bottles. I'm willing to spend more $ for that luxury.

The alcohol is the #1 reason I'm drinking an alcohol beverage. Otherwise I'd be drinking water or soda for much cheaper.

just drink more of them you ****ing fish

Well I never thought of that.

There's flat out no way would I ever buy beer if there was no alcohol in it. None. I have no idea what NA beers taste like but the fact they're not even remotely competitive volume-wise should tell you that the alcohol level of a beer is very important to almost everyone and I'd be shocked if I was proven wrong in any meaningful fashion.

1 more for Blue Moon.

To be honest though, my buddy brews his own stuff, and it's better than any other beer i've ever had..

lol. you don't seem to be trying to hide that you never drink american lagers, so the fact that you insist on providing your expert opinion on them is pretty hilarious. whether sam adams boston lager is good or not, it's nothing like budweiser/coors/miller high life/pbr/etc. it's also not a "light lager" whether you mean light as in "bud light and coors light" or light as in pale in colour.

why you even pretend to be knowledgeable on this matter when you obviously wouldn't be caught dead drinking an american lager is beyond me.

sam adams isn't bad at all. those other beers only taste good after a day of skiing/golf or some other kind of physical activity.

try hoegarden or the love or about any other heffe on the market. it will be much better.

Blue Moon, Hoegarden, etc. are examples of Belgian witbier style.