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08-04-2017 , 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom Ames
It seems like OP went for maximum scumbaggery for the least amount of potential profit available.

This does not seem to be a path to wealth, but exciting times could be ahead. I'm sure OOT will be entertained by OP's future exploits.
Maximum scumbaggery?-false. Minimum profit?-false. Not path to wealth?-true. Exciting times ahead?-maybe. High potential for future OOT entertainment value?-not likely but in good company. Or at least company.
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08-04-2017 , 05:55 PM
Grunching:

This is a fantastic scam!
So can you buy a big ticket item at full retail (like say a TV) around black friday time, screen shot an Amazon lightning deal or whatever other awesome online price you can find, submit your claim, and then return the original item in order to pocket the cash from the refund check?
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08-04-2017 , 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by cs3
Grunching:

This is a fantastic scam!
So can you buy a big ticket item at full retail (like say a TV) around black friday time, screen shot an Amazon lightning deal or whatever other awesome online price you can find, submit your claim, and then return the original item in order to pocket the cash from the refund check?
I would assume a return would go to your cc and they would have something in place for that, however a refund issued as store credit would work.

Also, since they state that it is beyond and in addition to any store price match policy you could do something like buy a high ticket item, get the price match from the cc, then get the price match from the place you bought it which in some cases--like a mattress for example, could negate almost the entire price.

I have no plans to do either of these things however.
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08-04-2017 , 06:19 PM
Don't let us down Johnny, go order that bed and report back!
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08-04-2017 , 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by cs3
Don't let us down Johnny, go order that bed and report back!
I'm not in the market. I don't even know what kind of bed Dwayne "the rock" Johnson from the hit hbo comedy series Ballers sleeps on so I wouldn't know where to start.
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08-04-2017 , 07:26 PM
Yes it is scumbaggery. At what level? I'd say a 2.5-3.5/10 obvs with 10 being the worst.
The question to ask is, 'what would an honest person do?'
That's a rhetorical question and you know what you're doing isn't honest.
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08-04-2017 , 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Alobar
hah, I like this
That homeless guy obviously got what was coming to him.
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08-04-2017 , 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by robrich
Yes it is scumbaggery. At what level? I'd say a 2.5-3.5/10 obvs with 10 being the worst.
The question to ask is, 'what would an honest person do?'
That's a rhetorical question and you know what you're doing isn't honest.
Literally nobody is honest. People who claim they are do not need go very far beyond the surface to prove they are not. Give me 5 minutes and I'll prove the most honest person you know supports action they know is not okay.
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08-04-2017 , 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by gs3737
That homeless guy obviously got what was coming to him.
yeah, he must have been a real POS, life on the streets wasnt punishment enough, he needed to get hit by a car too.
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08-05-2017 , 09:42 AM
JT,

You should set up an Amazon seller account, then put up $1 listings for any item you want to buy!
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08-05-2017 , 12:22 PM
I'd say its' like 7 or 8 out of 10 scummy IDK.
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08-05-2017 , 12:34 PM
Update on good vs evil: after chatting with Amazon CS to make sure that the charge came off of the gift card and was applied to the credit card with the guarantee, I checked back a few hours later and saw it unchanged. I chatted again and found out I was very close to getting karma'd right out of my sceme.

I had to cancel the order and rebuy with the card. Retake screen shots. I am paying for this deviance by being forced into effort. I was starting to think this was all a sign that I should just dial it back and be content with one pair at the suppressed price but I decided that being nice and fair doesn't get you anywhere big league.

Another important fact that may change the minds of some of you morality fans is I discovered from reading Amazon reviews that John Hamm wore these same sunglasses in season 2 and 3 of Mad Men while portraying the main character Don Draper. Clearly worth selling out for.

Last edited by Johnny Truant; 08-05-2017 at 12:41 PM.
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08-05-2017 , 12:43 PM
"I discovered from reading Amazon reviews that John Hamm wore these same sunglasses in season 2 and 3 of Mad Men while portraying the main character Don Draper. Clearly worth selling out for."

This is correct.
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08-05-2017 , 12:48 PM
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08-05-2017 , 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by gregorio
It's the next level of scumbaggery up from soda in a water glass, saving your Panera cup and using it for free refills on future visits, and using self-checkout and ringing up the $3.99/lb organic heirloom tomatoes under the .$99/lb regular tomatoes code. But a few steps below:
WTF
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08-05-2017 , 01:55 PM
Your time must be nearly valueless.
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08-05-2017 , 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom Ames
Your time must be nearly valueless.
How much do I owe you for the time you took to drop this gem, you "mover not shaker" you?

ETA I see you are still giving advice to MLY in her trainwreck thread. Laugh out loud at your criticism of internet time and effort use. At least I'll look like don draper. Save the energy you would use on me for her.

Last edited by Johnny Truant; 08-05-2017 at 02:41 PM.
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08-05-2017 , 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Johnny Truant
How much do I owe you for the time you took to drop this gem, you "mover not shaker" you?

ETA I see you are still giving advice to MLY in her trainwreck thread. Laugh out loud at your criticism of internet time and effort use. At least I'll look like don draper. Save the energy you would use on me for her.
Recent citation, please.
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08-05-2017 , 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom Ames
Recent citation, please.
Good lord. Dude. I get that you are just tryna be mean on the internet but take the L on this line bro. Anyone who posts anywhere on this site regularly has no business pretending their time has any value. You fit that description like a ****ing glove. Since you insist, here:

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Originally Posted by Tom Ames
M, I am very glad you made it through the night.

I have told you a couple of times that I would no longer give you serious advice because you tend to ignore anything helpful, but I relapsed. That was my bad. This will be my last time to respond to you on any thread on 2+2, but this advice is absolutely serious.

As I have said before, you should stop visiting 2+2 completely. It is detrimental to your mental health. At the very least, stop posting in OOT. You are too mentally fragile most of the time to handle it. Find some friends and things to do irl. Quit making excuses; just do it.

I can't imagine what more evidence you need that you and Code are a malignant match than your post quoted above. He was more interested in finishing a poker hand than your living or dieing. My advice would be to cut off all contact immediately without excuses or misgivings. I know you have received this advice from all directions previously and will almost certainly ignore it. But perhaps if you hear it from enough people, you might consider the possibility that they are right.

I would advise you to avoid casinos and poker rooms. With few exceptions you are only going to meet scumbags there. That is very counter-therapeutic for you. You very much need to improve the quality of other people in your life. In fact, I would advise you to take an extended break from anything poker-related and to develop more interests and acquaintances in other activities and settings.

Quit screwing around with your mental health treatment. You repeat that you can't afford it. I don't think you can afford not to obtain it. Quit bouncing among therapists. I advise you to see only psychiatrists and licensed clinical psychologists. They are the only mental health professionals trained and experienced to give you the quality treatment that you require. You have cheaped out by seeing various types of counselors that you end up ignoring and terminating treatment with them. Stop it! Now! Psychiatrists and licensed clinical psychologists only. It is what you need!

Ensure you have no firearms, large quantities of meds, etc in your home. You are too impulsive and unstable to have anything lethal within easy reach. Make a list of friends and relatives you can call when you feel like this again. Keep it handy. Use it. Also keep the numbers of a suicide hotline, your therapists, and your nearest ER handy.

Good luck to you.

And to the mods:

A containment thread is not sufficient for MLYLT imo. You should give serious consideration to banning her completely from OOT. It is extremely unhealthy for her to be here, and she can not handle the confrontations and ridicule. Being on 2+2 at all is unhealthy for her, but OOT is particularly intolerant and antagonistic toward her due to her long-term presence here. I don't see where anyone benefits from her continuing to post in OOT.
Imagine all the great things you may have accomplished with your super valuable time used on this very important message. I recommend you use some of it to gfys.

ETA: I'll assume no response to this will be because you are too busy making loads of cash and not because I'm right.

Last edited by Johnny Truant; 08-05-2017 at 03:23 PM.
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08-05-2017 , 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Johnny Truant
Good lord. Dude. I get that you are just tryna be mean on the internet but take the L on this line bro. Anyone who posts anywhere on this site regularly has no business pretending their time has any value. You fit that description like a ****ing glove. Since you insist, here:



Imagine all the great things you may have accomplished with your super valuable time used on this very important message. I recommend you use some of it to gfys.

ETA: I'll assume no response to this will be because you are too busy making loads of cash and not because I'm right.
Sorry you had to go back over a week and 400 posts in that thread to find that. It must have been grueling work.

And when someone has already made loads of cash they don't need to spend their time grubbing around for pennies trying to scam Amazon.

Only in OOT does someone open a thread hoping to be commended for his scumbaggery and then complains when someone tells him he is assuredly a scumbag but only at the penny-ante level. *sigh*
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08-05-2017 , 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom Ames
Sorry you had to go back over a week and 400 posts in that thread to find that. It must have been grueling work.

And when someone has already made loads of cash they don't need to spend their time grubbing around for pennies trying to scam Amazon.

Only in OOT does someone open a thread hoping to be commended for his scumbaggery and then complains when someone tells him he is assuredly a scumbag but only at the penny-ante level. *sigh*
I didn't complain about anything, or even disagree, just pointed out you are an obvious hypocrite, a point you have skated by with this weak deflection.

For your future reference, if someone demands proof about their posting in a lame attempt to deny a demonstrable assertion, you do not need to wade through an entire thread to find the proof. Just click their name and look for their posts. Super easy and you can get back to important binness.

Turn some of that fantastic insight into people's motivations for posting inward and let me know what you come up with!
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08-05-2017 , 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Johnny Truant
Literally nobody is honest. People who claim they are do not need go very far beyond the surface to prove they are not. Give me 5 minutes and I'll prove the most honest person you know supports action they know is not okay.
Of course nobody is honest. However, you're doing something that is eating at your conscious enough that you make a thread for it. That is most likely done so that you can get reassurance from people on here to continue because you know what you're doing is wrong. After all who suffers? Amazon? That tax dodging organisation will get no sympathy. The CC company? Again, a large financial business that would not show you any sympathy so why care about them? After all lots of people do similar and much worse don't they?

But don't measure yourself against the standards of others. You know this is not honest and a little 'dodgy':but you'll continue.

Not that you would, but imagine you were taken to court for this. How would you defend your actions whilst in the witness box?
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08-05-2017 , 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by robrich
Of course nobody is honest. However, you're doing something that is eating at your conscious enough that you make a thread for it. That is most likely done so that you can get reassurance from people on here to continue because you know what you're doing is wrong. After all who suffers? Amazon? That tax dodging organisation will get no sympathy. The CC company? Again, a large financial business that would not show you any sympathy so why care about them? After all lots of people do similar and much worse don't they?

But don't measure yourself against the standards of others. You know this is not honest and a little 'dodgy':but you'll continue.

Not that you would, but imagine you were taken to court for this. How would you defend your actions whilst in the witness box?
The motivation assigned to me for this thread by you, and the super cool rich dude who has made it to the point that he can enjoy **** posting in his leisure time (maybe me someday!), is logical but not accurate. I am much more interested in the discussion of how we reconcile our supposed moral questions, and this forum, full of people who love a game of exploitation but adhere to codes and rules like biblical law is a great place to find interesting views on it.

I am conflicted by it, but it is really pretty ****ing stupid to be, because the conflict is how you describe it. It doesn't feel right, but there are many giant aspects of the transaction I ignore to get to that final one. I mentioned a lot of them, but basically I have to turn a blind eye to all of the damage caused by the entire system that I am participating in. Consumerism, vanity, capitalism, environmental...this question...knowing I am taking advantage of a rule by breaking the spirit of it even though I am not breaking the letter of it is a weird place for me to draw the line and thus I am examining it. I do not feel guilty about it to be honest tho, and it is not because of any rationalizations, I just don't.

And for the court of law question, I did absolutely nothing that is remotely against the law or even the rules set out by anyone involved, so that would be easy. A better question is how I would explain myself to my kids. The answer to that is pretty much what I stated here. We all need to find our line but i advocate being honest with myself about how I manufacture that line. It is imaginary, and leaning too heavily on accepting it as anything more than a device to cope with all the things we ignore or deny day to day, like our buddy Tom up there moving the goalposts on exactly why he is better than me, means you are not honest. Less honest than the person who pretends they have figured out how to be a good person and quit examining it for sure. That's my line for now.

Last edited by Johnny Truant; 08-05-2017 at 05:13 PM.
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08-05-2017 , 07:11 PM
You have no assurance the glasses are fakes. For all you, or anyone who doesn't work for them, knows the manufacturer had a serious glut of inventory that desperately needed liquidating.
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08-05-2017 , 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Johnny Truant
Since all of the glasses, counterfeit or not were produced by exploitation of modern slave labor (but out of my field of vision, thanks) as well as at the detriment of the environment shipping resources and junk across the sea several times, near highest levels unlocked before this cherry on top. But yeah, I mean the line has to be drawn somewhere.
Do not let the perfect be the enemy of the good. The fact that we cannot live 100% morally does not mean we shouldn't be doing our best when we can. IMO.

I like the Kantian approach to universal law. In layman's terms (which are the only terms I've got), for an action to be moral you must be willing to desire that everyone can (and actually should and will) do what you are doing.

Also, if you're even asking the question you know it's questionable, and by doing it anyway I believe you're putting a little dent in your internal well-being. I believe that all those little dents add up and take a toll. In that sense, acting morally is a form of self-care.
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